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View IMpalace's Profile IMpalace Flag London 25 May 17 1.45pm Send a Private Message to IMpalace Add IMpalace as a friend

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

No maybe they aren't and it is insensitive of course it is whether is an 8 year old girl or an 80 year old. The papers do it as click bait and some people like that kind of gory sensationalism . Look at Victorian England and how many people went to watch people be hung .

However put all that aside for one moment when there are people in families and communities who are suspicious of people but afraid to speak up or harbouring people with these kinds of views and radical leanings maybe something shocking like this plants an image in their head and might make then wake up and alert someone .

I'm not sure I see the logic in showing shocking details of a mass murder making somebody more likely to report an individual they suspect of terrorism.

Even ignoring the above logic, does the effect of pummeling the public (including children who will see this stuff on facebook/twitter etc.) with gory details and images of mass murder not need to be taken into account? There is always more we can do to stop this kind of thing, but it has to be weighed up against the wellbeing of victims, family and the wider public.

More so, the above explanation is not why papers churn out this stuff. It's for a few extra quid. Was reading about the outright harassment an individual and his family received whilst his brother was missing following a recent terror attack, all to get a bit more detail to sell a few papers. How these people sleep at night I will never know.


 

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Originally posted by IMpalace

I'm not sure I see the logic in showing shocking details of a mass murder making somebody more likely to report an individual they suspect of terrorism.

Even ignoring the above logic, does the effect of pummeling the public (including children who will see this stuff on facebook/twitter etc.) with gory details and images of mass murder not need to be taken into account? There is always more we can do to stop this kind of thing, but it has to be weighed up against the wellbeing of victims, family and the wider public.

More so, the above explanation is not why papers churn out this stuff. It's for a few extra quid. Was reading about the outright harassment an individual and his family received whilst his brother was missing following a recent terror attack, all to get a bit more detail to sell a few papers. How these people sleep at night I will never know.



It'll also desensitise people to the horrors of an attack if its shown everywhere, everytime.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 25 May 17 2.00pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

In order to take the mudslinging away from the Manchester thread I feel we should use this one to talk about the ins ad outs of what's happening regarding the heightened threat on here.

What you mean you haven't set it up to post a stream of anti-May, pro-Corbyn propaganda?

 


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Originally posted by nickgusset

In order to take the mudslinging away from the Manchester thread I feel we should use this one to talk about the ins ad outs of what's happening regarding the heightened threat on here.


What do people make of the NY Times publishing pictures of the aftermath of Monday, particularly the picture of the detonator. Does it compromise the investigation?

In a word yes.
As now it has been proved there was/a rather large terrorist cell in and around Manchester.
But let's not worry,,because we are told time and time again that its a tiny minority.
Well considering thst the security services are watching at least 3000 people,and have foiled I think 9 plots in the last 3 years..yeah 3000 nah nothing.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 25 May 17 2.02pm

Originally posted by elgrande

In a word yes.
As now it has been proved there was/a rather large terrorist cell in and around Manchester.
But let's not worry,,because we are told time and time again that its a tiny minority.
Well considering thst the security services are watching at least 3000 people,and have foiled I think 9 plots in the last 3 years..yeah 3000 nah nothing.

Yes, I fully agree. Just how many kids need to be blown to pieces for the apologists to admit that there is a serious problem.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 May 17 2.04pm

Originally posted by elgrande

In a word yes.
As now it has been proved there was/a rather large terrorist cell in and around Manchester.
But let's not worry,,because we are told time and time again that its a tiny minority.
Well considering thst the security services are watching at least 3000 people,and have foiled I think 9 plots in the last 3 years..yeah 3000 nah nothing.

Doesn't help that austerity has meant loads of frontline and back office staff have been cut

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Doesn't help that austerity has meant loads of frontline and back office staff have been cut

Well we could probably cut a few if the 3000 under watch were taken off the streets. At the very least anyone who went to Syria and fought with ISIS should be locked up. They are fighting for our enemies yet we let them walk our streets. Is absolutely ridiculous.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Doesn't help that austerity has meant loads of frontline and back office staff have been cut

That has got f*** all to do with it ..classic f***ing spin...there thousands and thousands of would be terrorists in this country.....THAT IS THE POINT..

 


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Originally posted by gambler

Well we could probably cut a few if the 3000 under watch were taken off the streets. At the very least anyone who went to Syria and fought with ISIS should be locked up. They are fighting for our enemies yet we let them walk our streets. Is absolutely ridiculous.

Exactly

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 25 May 17 2.17pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Doesn't help that austerity has meant loads of frontline and back office staff have been cut

I agree that we could do with more police and troops, if only to control the various mobs that appear on our streets.

 


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Originally posted by Lyons550


It'll also desensitise people to the horrors of an attack if its shown everywhere, everytime.

I agree with you on this.

 


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Originally posted by IMpalace

I'm not sure I see the logic in showing shocking details of a mass murder making somebody more likely to report an individual they suspect of terrorism.

Even ignoring the above logic, does the effect of pummeling the public (including children who will see this stuff on facebook/twitter etc.) with gory details and images of mass murder not need to be taken into account? There is always more we can do to stop this kind of thing, but it has to be weighed up against the wellbeing of victims, family and the wider public.

More so, the above explanation is not why papers churn out this stuff. It's for a few extra quid. Was reading about the outright harassment an individual and his family received whilst his brother was missing following a recent terror attack, all to get a bit more detail to sell a few papers. How these people sleep at night I will never know.


Morals seem to go flying out the window when it comes to newspapers and media in general.

I take on board your points. In that case is it simply a case , in the instance of the daily mail today, they are printing these highly charged headlines and accounts to stoke up the simmering tensions ? Wasn't a mosque attacked the other day in or near Manchester. This kind of reporting can go the other way in terms of adding fuel to the fire of people who want to target Islam in some way. And actually having thought on this it could also been deemed as dangerous. How many would be attackers are looking at it and reading these headlines and positively revelling in all the details

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Edited by Michaelawt85 (25 May 2017 2.28pm)

 


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