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BelfastEagle 02 Jun 17 10.56am
Interesting article in mail about prem league wages with comments from SP. Palace have 20th largest wage bill in Europe and 25th in world. Mind blowing!
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02 Jun 17 10.56am

Interesting article in mail about prem league wages with comments from SP. Palace have 20th largest wage bill in Europe and 25th in world. Mind blowing!

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CPFC_1905 02 Jun 17 2.44pm
This post has been merged from a topic called '25th Most Expensive Wage Bill' by kenbarr No suprise, there are 15 premier league clubs in the top 25 wage bills in the world. Only Hull, Bournemouth, Burnley, Watford and Boro miss out on the list. We're sitting 25th on Ł80 mill a year. How does that sit with FFP. What's our income/outgoings looking like? [Link] (excuse the Daily Star link) Edited by CPFC_1905 (02 Jun 2017 2.45pm)
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02 Jun 17 2.44pm

This post has been merged from a topic called '25th Most Expensive Wage Bill' by kenbarr

No suprise, there are 15 premier league clubs in the top 25 wage bills in the world. Only Hull, Bournemouth, Burnley, Watford and Boro miss out on the list.

We're sitting 25th on Ł80 mill a year.

How does that sit with FFP. What's our income/outgoings looking like?

[Link] (excuse the Daily Star link)

Edited by CPFC_1905 (02 Jun 2017 2.45pm)

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Direwolf Lincoln 02 Jun 17 3.38pm
This post has been merged from a topic called '25th Most Expensive Wage Bill' by kenbarr Clubs need to balance football-related expenditure - transfers and wages - with television and ticket income, plus revenues raised by their commercial departments. Money spent on stadiums, training facilities, youth development or community projects is exempt. The Premier League has brought in its own form of financial regulation which is not as stringent as Uefa's FFP. Clubs cannot make a loss in excess of Ł105m across the 2013-14, 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons (as with FFP, investment in infrastructure and youth development is exempt). Any club that posts losses in excess of that figure could face severe penalties, including a points deduction. A loss between Ł15m and Ł105m has to be guaranteed by club owners. The league has also introduced a short-term cost control measure in which clubs are restricted in the amount of increased PL central funds that can be used to improve player wages. The increase in wages from the fund was limited to Ł4m in 2013-14, Ł8m in 2014-15 and Ł12m in 2015-16 (wages can be increased from clubs' own commercial revenue. As I read this it means that it is not the amount of wages that is per se the issue but rather by what amount they increase over the season and how much of the PL central fund can be used to cover that. As we received in excess of 109.5 million from the Premier League this season (the vast bulk of which arises from TV rights not central funds)and this does not include our own commercial income we should have comfortably covered wages.
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Lincoln 02 Jun 17 3.38pm

This post has been merged from a topic called '25th Most Expensive Wage Bill' by kenbarr

Clubs need to balance football-related expenditure - transfers and wages - with television and ticket income, plus revenues raised by their commercial departments. Money spent on stadiums, training facilities, youth development or community projects is exempt.

The Premier League has brought in its own form of financial regulation which is not as stringent as Uefa's FFP.

Clubs cannot make a loss in excess of Ł105m across the 2013-14, 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons (as with FFP, investment in infrastructure and youth development is exempt).

Any club that posts losses in excess of that figure could face severe penalties, including a points deduction.

A loss between Ł15m and Ł105m has to be guaranteed by club owners.

The league has also introduced a short-term cost control measure in which clubs are restricted in the amount of increased PL central funds that can be used to improve player wages.

The increase in wages from the fund was limited to Ł4m in 2013-14, Ł8m in 2014-15 and Ł12m in 2015-16 (wages can be increased from clubs' own commercial revenue.

As I read this it means that it is not the amount of wages that is per se the issue but rather by what amount they increase over the season and how much of the PL central fund can be used to cover that.

As we received in excess of 109.5 million from the Premier League this season (the vast bulk of which arises from TV rights not central funds)and this does not include our own commercial income we should have comfortably covered wages.

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Reknaw 02 Jun 17 10.43pm
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Qwijibo Bournemouth 02 Jun 17 11.15pm
This post has been merged from a topic called '25th Most Expensive Wage Bill' by kenbarr Interesting concepts on how to use big money and balance it with home development: [Link] "For each overseas transfer an equal sum will have to be paid into a fund designed to breed local young players." I know we're taking wages here, but essentially it's all the same bank balance flittering away
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Bournemouth 02 Jun 17 11.15pm

This post has been merged from a topic called '25th Most Expensive Wage Bill' by kenbarr

Interesting concepts on how to use big money and balance it with home development:

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"For each overseas transfer an equal sum will have to be paid into a fund designed to breed local young players."

I know we're taking wages here, but essentially it's all the same bank balance flittering away

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Direwolf Lincoln 03 Jun 17 8.13am
This post has been merged from a topic called '25th Most Expensive Wage Bill' by kenbarr Originally posted by Qwijibo Interesting concepts on how to use big money and balance it with home development: [Link] "For each overseas transfer an equal sum will have to be paid into a fund designed to breed local young players." I know we're taking wages here, but essentially it's all the same bank balance flittering away I imagine that given the transfer sums nowadays this would stop overseas transfers completely here. Shows how much money the Chinese are throwing at football.
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Lincoln 03 Jun 17 8.13am

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Originally posted by Qwijibo

Interesting concepts on how to use big money and balance it with home development:

[Link]

"For each overseas transfer an equal sum will have to be paid into a fund designed to breed local young players."

I know we're taking wages here, but essentially it's all the same bank balance flittering away

I imagine that given the transfer sums nowadays this would stop overseas transfers completely here. Shows how much money the Chinese are throwing at football.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 03 Jun 17 8.37am
This post has been merged from a topic called '25th Most Expensive Wage Bill' by kenbarr Originally posted by Qwijibo Interesting concepts on how to use big money and balance it with home development: [Link] "For each overseas transfer an equal sum will have to be paid into a fund designed to breed local young players." I know we're taking wages here, but essentially it's all the same bank balance flittering away That may work in communist China, with central control over practically everything. That money would be used for funding some sort of giant academy, aimed at getting them a World Cup, in the same way that they produce violinists, table tennis players and mathematicians. In the West we tend to prefer the operation of a free market and tend to shy away from single-interest people factories. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 03 Jun 17 8.37am

This post has been merged from a topic called '25th Most Expensive Wage Bill' by kenbarr

Originally posted by Qwijibo

Interesting concepts on how to use big money and balance it with home development:

[Link]

"For each overseas transfer an equal sum will have to be paid into a fund designed to breed local young players."

I know we're taking wages here, but essentially it's all the same bank balance flittering away

That may work in communist China, with central control over practically everything. That money would be used for funding some sort of giant academy, aimed at getting them a World Cup, in the same way that they produce violinists, table tennis players and mathematicians. In the West we tend to prefer the operation of a free market and tend to shy away from single-interest people factories.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 06 Jun 17 8.51am
That isn't the way it works in the US right now. The NFL has been compared to "communism," where player development is concentrated in college football and players enter the professional game through a draft where the teams choose players based on the team with the worst record picks first. MLB, NBA, NHL and MLS all have similar systems. It's all part of the North American (US and Canada) sports business model being based on the franchise system. It is one of the reasons MLS will never have promotion/relegation with NASL/USL etc. It would never do for say NYCFC to be relegated and the Rochester Raging Rhinos promoted. As for TV money, both Fox and NBC pay much more for their European coverage individually than FOX and ESPN pay for MLS combined. MLS does control the international transfer market here (they sell the players, not the clubs). Lately, a player who has a good season or two over here can expect MLS to cash in on them. Except for designated players, wages are nowhere near what European clubs play as there is a salary cap on rosters (DP's excepted). Divorced...And LOVING it! VJRAM Rev. CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach Trevor Francis, International PRAT
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Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 06 Jun 17 8.51am

That isn't the way it works in the US right now. The NFL has been compared to "communism," where player development is concentrated in college football and players enter the professional game through a draft where the teams choose players based on the team with the worst record picks first. MLB, NBA, NHL and MLS all have similar systems. It's all part of the North American (US and Canada) sports business model being based on the franchise system. It is one of the reasons MLS will never have promotion/relegation with NASL/USL etc. It would never do for say NYCFC to be relegated and the Rochester Raging Rhinos promoted.

As for TV money, both Fox and NBC pay much more for their European coverage individually than FOX and ESPN pay for MLS combined. MLS does control the international transfer market here (they sell the players, not the clubs). Lately, a player who has a good season or two over here can expect MLS to cash in on them. Except for designated players, wages are nowhere near what European clubs play as there is a salary cap on rosters (DP's excepted).

Divorced...And LOVING it!
VJRAM Rev.
CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC
Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach
Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach
Trevor Francis, International PRAT

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YT Oxford 06 Jun 17 9.12am
Originally posted by Qwijibo "For each overseas transfer an equal sum will have to be paid into a fund designed to breed local young players." "Breed" young players. Blimey! Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 06 Jun 17 9.12am

Originally posted by Qwijibo

"For each overseas transfer an equal sum will have to be paid into a fund designed to breed local young players."

"Breed" young players. Blimey!

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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Username Horsham 06 Jun 17 11.56am
Originally posted by kenbarr That isn't the way it works in the US right now. The NFL has been compared to "communism," where player development is concentrated in college football and players enter the professional game through a draft where the teams choose players based on the team with the worst record picks first. MLB, NBA, NHL and MLS all have similar systems. It's all part of the North American (US and Canada) sports business model being based on the franchise system. It is one of the reasons MLS will never have promotion/relegation with NASL/USL etc. It would never do for say NYCFC to be relegated and the Rochester Raging Rhinos promoted. As for TV money, both Fox and NBC pay much more for their European coverage individually than FOX and ESPN pay for MLS combined. MLS does control the international transfer market here (they sell the players, not the clubs). Lately, a player who has a good season or two over here can expect MLS to cash in on them. Except for designated players, wages are nowhere near what European clubs play as there is a salary cap on rosters (DP's excepted). There is a lot to admire about the NFL. I know people in the UK like to make fun of it, and I know you could never implement some of those ideas outside of a one country sport, but the draft, salary cap and combined advertising deals are really good. Sure, there are lots of advert breaks in games, but there are no sponsor logos on jerseys (apart from Nike) and teams are not allowed to make significant uniform changes each year, which both benefit supporters. There are some bad things, but I do think it's a very interesting way of running a sport. Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.
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Horsham 06 Jun 17 11.56am

Originally posted by kenbarr

There is a lot to admire about the NFL. I know people in the UK like to make fun of it, and I know you could never implement some of those ideas outside of a one country sport, but the draft, salary cap and combined advertising deals are really good.

Sure, there are lots of advert breaks in games, but there are no sponsor logos on jerseys (apart from Nike) and teams are not allowed to make significant uniform changes each year, which both benefit supporters.

There are some bad things, but I do think it's a very interesting way of running a sport.

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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CPFC/SCCC Sutton 03 Aug 17 8.27pm
Interested to learn more, why we struggling to recruit. Andy Johnson Magic, He wears a Magic Hat When he Sees the match ball, he says he having that He scores one with left foot, he scores one with his right And When his playing Brighton, He scores all f***ING Night!
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Sutton 03 Aug 17 8.27pm

Interested to learn more, why we struggling to recruit.

Andy Johnson Magic, He wears a Magic Hat
When he Sees the match ball, he says he having that
He scores one with left foot, he scores one with his right
And When his playing Brighton, He scores all f***ING Night!

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