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View Rubin's Profile Rubin Flag 18 Sep 17 4.49pm Send a Private Message to Rubin Add Rubin as a friend

One thing, attributing the rise in sea temperature to human activity seems a bit spurious considering we've no idea how many volcanoes are on the sea floor.

91 new ones were announced to have been discovered in the Antarctic this year.

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.TUX. Flag 18 Sep 17 7.35pm

I'll take 'man-made' global warming seriously when those at the top lead by example.
Until then it's purely another way of screwing the public.

 


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We are responsible for pollution but not global warming. This earth has been warming up then cooling way before man set foot on it. One volcanic eruption can do more damage to the worlds climate than we ever can.

 

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chateauferret Flag 20 Sep 17 11.24am

Originally posted by SwalecliffeEagle

Wait for the runaway greenhouse effect to take hold. There won't be much doubt about it then. We'll be sozzled into extinction like the Martians (who, for the benefit of my imagination, definitely existed before their atmosphere was trashed).

Well, Mars is too lightweight to hold onto much of an atmosphere anyway, but in addition there are three massive craters on the surface which look like impact sites of large asteroids which Mars seems to have captured, being just round the corner from the asteroid belt. Two such objects (Phobos and Deimos) are still in orbit.

 


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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 20 Sep 17 9.08pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

I believe man made climate change is real. I am also sceptical about the dual rise of renewables and electrification of transport to help turn the tide, sadly.

I also believe that natgas will be a disappointing bridging fuel (assuming I am wrong about renewables/electrification not offering a sunlit upland of carbon frre driving).

Lastly Ray, I'm not sure natgas is pushing out coal quite like you say.


I was at a conference on Monday where a speaker from the energy analyst Wood MacKenzie showed their latest projections of the growth in demand for coal, oil, gas and renewables. Gas had the steepest growth incline and coal the lowest - nearly flat, in fact.

Interestingly, she suggested that the bridge to renewables that gas is expected to be, may be just a "footbridge". The cost of renewable technology - notably wind and solar - is reducing faster than previously projected while the efficiency of these technologies is increasing faster than projected. At the same time, battery technology - required to make solar feasible as a base load source - is following the same pattern. As a result, many emerging economies may skip gas and invest their infrastructure money in renewables directly.

Energy demand will, of course, grow across the globe, so it's not like they'll be shuttering coal-fired power plants like their Blockbuster videos. But as the other sectors grow around coal's flat line, it will become an ever-shrinking piece of the pie chart.

 


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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 20 Sep 17 9.11pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Yeah but you do know that the environment is not just a green issue right.

Rich people can afford to live on higher ground.

 


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Originally posted by .TUX.

I'll take 'man-made' global warming seriously when those at the top lead by example.
Until then it's purely another way of screwing the public.


Those at the top never lead. They only do the right thing when they are forced to do so by dint of overwhelming public outcry.

 


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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 20 Sep 17 9.19pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


Those at the top never lead. They only do the right thing when they are forced to do so by dint of overwhelming public outcry.

......or see it as cash Cow like uber hypocrite Al Gore....

 


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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 20 Sep 17 9.34pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

......or see it as cash Cow like uber hypocrite Al Gore....

So it's ok for the Koch Brothers to profit from the oil and gas business, while influencing elections by pouring money into the campaign coffers of the candidates who best serve the interests of their business. But when Al Gore makes a for-profit documentary warning about the immediate dangers of global warming, he's a hypocrite?

You've been listening to too many climate deniers' talking points. This being perhaps the weakest one.

It's amazing how conservatives preach interminably about how the free market can solve everything, and then when it moves in a way they don't like they bleat about hypocrisy.

Edited by Ray in Houston (20 Sep 2017 9.35pm)

 


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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

So it's ok for the Koch Brothers to profit from the oil and gas business, while influencing elections by pouring money into the campaign coffers of the candidates who best serve the interests of their business. But when Al Gore makes a for-profit documentary warning about the immediate dangers of global warming, he's a hypocrite?

You've been listening to too many climate deniers' talking points. This being perhaps the weakest one.

It's amazing how conservatives preach interminably about how the free market can solve everything, and then when it moves in a way they don't like they bleat about hypocrisy.

Edited by Ray in Houston (20 Sep 2017 9.35pm)

Nope I agree with what you say, but the likes of Gore & De Caprio are the worse kind in my opinion with their holier than thou do as I say not as I do attitude. Most of this will be a non issue in a few years time anyway with solar panel & battery technology, we wont be reliant on Gasoline to fuel our cars. I also find It ironic as well living in New York City that Oil Tankers trundle the streets to fill buildings with Heating oil also Some of the worse polluters are the Airlines by the way.

 


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Originally posted by Jimenez

Nope I agree with what you say, but the likes of Gore & De Caprio are the worse kind in my opinion with their holier than thou do as I say not as I do attitude. Most of this will be a non issue in a few years time anyway with solar panel & battery technology, we wont be reliant on Gasoline to fuel our cars. I also find It ironic as well living in New York City that Oil Tankers trundle the streets to fill buildings with Heating oil also Some of the worse polluters are the Airlines by the way.

The hypocrisy of the elites who preach down about climate change while themselves having a massive energy footprint is never ending.

You are entirely right to pinpoint that technology is the only way that this problem will be tackled.

All the sanctimonious hand wringing that the virtue signalers do about being green....for most of them it always appears to apply to others and not themselves.

Those who actually live their principles I say nothing against....But I think the answer to this question can only be technology......Without population control and stopping third world development any other suggestion is just ridiculously ineffective.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Sep 2017 10.08pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 Sep 17 10.22pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The hypocrisy of the elites who preach down about climate change while themselves having a massive energy footprint is never ending.

You are entirely right to pinpoint that technology is the only way that this problem will be tackled.

All the sanctimonious hand wringing that the virtue signalers do about being green....for most of them it always appears to apply to others and not themselves.

Those who actually live their principles I say nothing against....But I think the answer to this question can only be technology......Without population control and stopping third world development any other suggestion is just ridiculously ineffective.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Sep 2017 10.08pm)

Why should third world countries not be developed? Are the people born their somehow not worthy of what you and I have? You think being white British you are superior?

Tsk.

 

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