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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 17 6.22pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Your choice to go to the gym and work out. Remember I said I believe smokers and drinkers should be taxed accordingly.

Your position suggest a parity between trying to kill yourself and trying to live healthy. I don't see that.
You might see a practical value in taxing the healthy more but I am yet to be convinced that they do indeed pay less tax and that those who indulge in fags and booze don't deserve to pay more.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 Jun 17 6.35pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Ha.
You should teach Gusset how to be funny.

What? His posts are serious?

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 Jun 17 6.37pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by grumpymort


Those figures may be correct but again stats do not tell the true story.

You would expect children and older people to cost the most because of the care required.

The NHS over pays for everything I was talking with a doctor and few nurses about this it really annoys them that even something like toilet paper it's cheaper to go to tesco and buy it then what nhs pays yet they can't do that the same with other supplys.

I do not know how people can depend drinkers/smokers claiming they pay more in so on again go and look at what it costs to treat them it's way more then they ever pay in plus the medical problems they have drag on for a long time so a lot of those stats which are about older people i bet is because they are drinker/smokers

Edited by grumpymort (13 Jun 2017 6.24pm)

I doubt people know how much the NHS really spends on items. Probably bought centrally with big volume rebates.

It is true it could procure better, which is why the private sector is getting more involved in that space. It's not half as bad as e.g. the US on that score.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jun 17 7.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yawn. You are enjoying a brief bounce because you managed to mug enough teenagers into voting for 'hope'.

You'd better hope that there isn't a new series of Game of Thrones on when The Tories call the next election.

Suckered into believing media lies again. I'm sure I read somewhere that right wingers are less intelligent, you are a case in point.


 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 17 7.19pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Suckered into believing media lies again. I'm sure I read somewhere that right wingers are less intelligent, you are a case in point.


This graphic shows that loads of students voted Labour.

So the election result was determined by lots of people who have never worked and have no life experience.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Jun 2017 7.21pm)

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 13 Jun 17 7.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This graphic shows that loads of students voted Labour.

So the election result was determined by lots of people who have never worked and have no life experience.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Jun 2017 7.21pm)

Sounds like you want a white geriarchy.

Compared with the massive promises made to pensioner in recent elections it is refreshing to see the youth get involved.

I would point out that they did not survey the self-employed.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 17 8.09pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

Sounds like you want a white geriarchy.

Compared with the massive promises made to pensioner in recent elections it is refreshing to see the youth get involved.

I would point out that they did not survey the self-employed.

Everyone has self interest but I would rather be at the mercy of the old and hopefully wise rather than people who have just learned to wipe their own arse.

Of course some of those old people might need someone else to wipe their arse.

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

I doubt people know how much the NHS really spends on items. Probably bought centrally with big volume rebates.

It is true it could procure better, which is why the private sector is getting more involved in that space. It's not half as bad as e.g. the US on that score.


Yes they do the ones i mentioned run the department and its the same with gp they know a lot more about money then you think a lot of them have meetings about it minimum once a month.

they get no discount on big bulk in fact they do not even order in big bulks most of the time.

the private sector is not that great I can tell you do not really know much about how health care works.

have you even ever had private treatment? they use nhs resources

look up drug costs the nhs pays well over the odds this is why a lot of medications are not available due to cost it's the same when you get treated every one has a limit if you need to go through a bunch of drugs in a year you wont always be given the best one but a cheaper alternative.

The clinic i am haing my chemo treatment they had run out of coffee and milk the coffee ran out over 3 weeks ago and the milk week ago which they can not order any more until July due to budget staff are not allowed to just buy then bring them in for patients.

Another patient in when i was having chemo was told he had to have senior sign of on letting him have some drugs because he had hit his limit which basiclly each person has yearly limit on medications senior wouldn't sign off on it so he had to go with cheaper option (i asked staff about this they said it's very common because of the inflated prices nhs pays they have to deal with this all the time)

if you do research you will see the nhs pays 3-4 times if not more then say india or africa for the same treatment

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 Jun 17 10.14pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by grumpymort


Yes they do the ones i mentioned run the department and its the same with gp they know a lot more about money then you think a lot of them have meetings about it minimum once a month.

they get no discount on big bulk in fact they do not even order in big bulks most of the time.

the private sector is not that great I can tell you do not really know much about how health care works.

have you even ever had private treatment? they use nhs resources

look up drug costs the nhs pays well over the odds this is why a lot of medications are not available due to cost it's the same when you get treated every one has a limit if you need to go through a bunch of drugs in a year you wont always be given the best one but a cheaper alternative.

The clinic i am haing my chemo treatment they had run out of coffee and milk the coffee ran out over 3 weeks ago and the milk week ago which they can not order any more until July due to budget staff are not allowed to just buy then bring them in for patients.

Another patient in when i was having chemo was told he had to have senior sign of on letting him have some drugs because he had hit his limit which basiclly each person has yearly limit on medications senior wouldn't sign off on it so he had to go with cheaper option (i asked staff about this they said it's very common because of the inflated prices nhs pays they have to deal with this all the time)

if you do research you will see the nhs pays 3-4 times if not more then say india or africa for the same treatment

You don't read my posts do you? I know the US, UK and Brazilian health care sectors rather well. Never bought toilet rolls for a Trust though. And I am fully aware of the shortcomings of purchasing of medicines. That's why the private sector has moved in and is moving in. Heard of Optimise Rx?

Still don't think the NHS does badly overall.

And of course GPs are private sector.

 

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