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.TUX.  15 Dec 17 10.17pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Nick's not wrong though.
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  Hrolf The Ganger 15 Dec 17 10.17pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I'm sure she'd love that on Christmas morning. Sadly, Grenfell has become all about politics. The left have no qualms about using anything for political gain.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 15 Dec 17 10.20pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Nick's not wrong though. He is wrong. As I have just said. Builders always use the cheapest legal methods to maximise profit.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Dec 17 10.21pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Sadly, Grenfell has become all about politics. The left have no qualms about using anything for political gain. Friend of mine recovered the 77 bodies from the ruins of that block - and identified them all. Somethings are bigger than politics, right wing or left wing, things like Grenfell transcends political agendas.
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| .TUX. 15 Dec 17 10.30pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
He is wrong. As I have just said. Builders always use the cheapest legal methods to maximise profit. Far more clients fit this description in my experience.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 15 Dec 17 10.31pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Friend of mine recovered the 77 bodies from the ruins of that block - and identified them all. Somethings are bigger than politics, right wing or left wing, things like Grenfell transcends political agendas. Agreed. The law simply does not go far enough to reasonably ensure safety. Whether that could ever be the case is debatable. Grenfell is an exceptional event it has to be said.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 15 Dec 17 10.34pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Far more clients fit this description in my experience. Certainly, the cheapest option is often chosen.
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| wordup 15 Dec 17 10.52pm |
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An asburd number of MPs are landlords and they're more than happy to reject ideas like requiring sprinklers as part of basic fire safety regulations in high rise blocks.
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cryrst  The garden of England 16 Dec 17 8.41pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Friend of mine recovered the 77 bodies from the ruins of that block - and identified them all. Somethings are bigger than politics, right wing or left wing, things like Grenfell transcends political agendas. That's not relevant in this post Jamie
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| Badger11 Beckenham 17 Dec 17 11.18am |
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As some others have pointed it it is possible that the regulations are to blame. There is a huge difference between a builder knowingly using sub standard materials and one that confirms to the current laws. Of course I have no idea what the truth is but even if the builders are liable that may not be the fault of the council. The HMO was responsible for Grenfall. Some people want justice which to them means sending Tories to jail. Well if they are liable I agree. Sadly I suspect that the inquiry will find that the regulations are rubbish the inspections are rubbish the HMO didn't do its job and the council did not have proper over site over the HMO. In other words plenty of blame to go around and very few people to go to jail. Anyway I just hope that the judge gets to the truth even if it is a truth that does not fit with some peoples political narrative.
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| cryrst The garden of England 17 Dec 17 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
As some others have pointed it it is possible that the regulations are to blame. There is a huge difference between a builder knowingly using sub standard materials and one that confirms to the current laws. Of course I have no idea what the truth is but even if the builders are liable that may not be the fault of the council. The HMO was responsible for Grenfall. Some people want justice which to them means sending Tories to jail. Well if they are liable I agree. Sadly I suspect that the inquiry will find that the regulations are rubbish the inspections are rubbish the HMO didn't do its job and the council did not have proper over site over the HMO. In other words plenty of blame to go around and very few people to go to jail. Anyway I just hope that the judge gets to the truth even if it is a truth that does not fit with some peoples political narrative. That's what I reckon badger
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Jan 18 4.29pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
As some others have pointed it it is possible that the regulations are to blame. There is a huge difference between a builder knowingly using sub standard materials and one that confirms to the current laws. Of course I have no idea what the truth is but even if the builders are liable that may not be the fault of the council. The HMO was responsible for Grenfall. Some people want justice which to them means sending Tories to jail. Well if they are liable I agree. Sadly I suspect that the inquiry will find that the regulations are rubbish the inspections are rubbish the HMO didn't do its job and the council did not have proper over site over the HMO. In other words plenty of blame to go around and very few people to go to jail. Anyway I just hope that the judge gets to the truth even if it is a truth that does not fit with some peoples political narrative. This conflict of interest doesn't give me hope...
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