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View celtavigoeagles's Profile celtavigoeagles Flag Baiona 23 Jun 17 8.58am Send a Private Message to celtavigoeagles Add celtavigoeagles as a friend

Cheers, another good read regardless what happens!

 


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View Goalpost1's Profile Goalpost1 Flag Worcester Park 23 Jun 17 12.58pm Send a Private Message to Goalpost1 Add Goalpost1 as a friend

There was also a good piece somewhere that he was linked to the Rangers job after Warburton left but would only consider a job in the Summer in order to have a pre-season. He was being very careful after his less than positive experience at Inter where he only had two weeks for pre-season and then was sacked very quickly.

 

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chateauferret Flag 23 Jun 17 1.05pm

Originally posted by Goalpost1

There was also a good piece somewhere that he was linked to the Rangers job after Warburton left but would only consider a job in the Summer in order to have a pre-season. He was being very careful after his less than positive experience at Inter where he only had two weeks for pre-season and then was sacked very quickly.

And these days of course Rangers are a total turkey and really rather s***e.

 


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GladAllOver27 Flag 23 Jun 17 1.21pm

. It's well known that de Boer favour a possession game. Which players will struggle with his philosophy.

Can see dann and Delaney definitely struggling.

 

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chateauferret Flag 23 Jun 17 1.22pm

Originally posted by GladAllOver27

. It's well known that de Boer favour a possession game. Which players will struggle with his philosophy.

Can see dann and Delaney definitely struggling.

And Puncheon.

 


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View Mad4palace's Profile Mad4palace Flag 23 Jun 17 1.24pm Send a Private Message to Mad4palace Add Mad4palace as a friend

Good to see we've gone for someone who's an expert in 4-3-3 having come from Ajax where it was perfected. We've played 4-5-1 for a number of years, under Allardyce we were basically 4-3-3 with Milivojevic as the sole deep lying midfielder. Ranieri and Dyche would probably have moved us into a 4-4-2, no idea what Pellegrino favours, 5-4-1?? For the players we have now a 4-5-1/4-3-3 formation works best, we have one number 4 (Luka) and 3 number 8's as it were (Cabaye, Puncheon, McArthur) no one can properly play a number 10 role yet that's one part of why I think we started to struggle under Pardew's 4-2-3-1 and his attempts at a 4-4-2 didn't fair much better.

Edited by Mad4palace (23 Jun 2017 1.25pm)

 

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GladAllOver27 Flag 23 Jun 17 1.35pm

Originally posted by chateauferret

And Puncheon.

Mutch , ward , Kelly

 

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GladAllOver27 Flag 23 Jun 17 1.45pm

Frank de Boer will look to emulate Barca. Oh no

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A lot of players are needed if we want to emulate Barca. Bit of a concern with statements like this,

 

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View Goldfiinger's Profile Goldfiinger Flag Just down the road 23 Jun 17 1.50pm Send a Private Message to Goldfiinger Add Goldfiinger as a friend

Originally posted by GladAllOver27

Frank de Boer will look to emulate Barca. Oh no

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A lot of players are needed if we want to emulate Barca. Bit of a concern with statements like this,

Did you read the OP link?

Here's a snippet:

Offensive Organization: Possession and Interchange to Release the Ball to ‘Direct’ Wingers

Ajax build from the back as part of de Boer’s philosophy to play with possession. They play with positional interchange to draw the opponent out of their spaces, often with the intention of finding a pass to one of the channels. Unlike Barcelona who overload the channels to switch the point of play with their passing, de Boer often employs quick, direct wingers like Anwar El Ghazi, Ricardo Kishna and Lucas Andersen for his midfielders to release the ball to, before they take on defenders in 1v1 or 2v1 situations. This balance is necessary to please the Ajax faithful who are not fond of excessive horizontal passing with no intention to combine and penetrate on the flanks. This is also good management on de Boer’s part to find a balance in incorporating the young, tricky dribblers from the Ajax academy, without being overly direct.

 

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GladAllOver27 Flag 23 Jun 17 1.57pm

Originally posted by Goldfiinger

Did you read the OP link?

Here's a snippet:

Offensive Organization: Possession and Interchange to Release the Ball to ‘Direct’ Wingers

Ajax build from the back as part of de Boer’s philosophy to play with possession. They play with positional interchange to draw the opponent out of their spaces, often with the intention of finding a pass to one of the channels. Unlike Barcelona who overload the channels to switch the point of play with their passing, de Boer often employs quick, direct wingers like Anwar El Ghazi, Ricardo Kishna and Lucas Andersen for his midfielders to release the ball to, before they take on defenders in 1v1 or 2v1 situations. This balance is necessary to please the Ajax faithful who are not fond of excessive horizontal passing with no intention to combine and penetrate on the flanks. This is also good management on de Boer’s part to find a balance in incorporating the young, tricky dribblers from the Ajax academy, without being overly direct.


I did. Just concerns me. Whilst I want us to play more attractive football. Not at the cost of losing the defensive structure that was put in place by big Sam. As a fan I want to win. Barca outscore teams, palace won't. We have too many players that are not comfortable in possession of the football. Dann, Delaney, ward, Kelly and many more struggle on the ball. I think a lot of players are needed if we are to become a possession based team.

 

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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 23 Jun 17 3.10pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Mad4palace

Good to see we've gone for someone who's an expert in 4-3-3 having come from Ajax where it was perfected. We've played 4-5-1 for a number of years, under Allardyce we were basically 4-3-3 with Milivojevic as the sole deep lying midfielder. Ranieri and Dyche would probably have moved us into a 4-4-2, no idea what Pellegrino favours, 5-4-1?? For the players we have now a 4-5-1/4-3-3 formation works best, we have one number 4 (Luka) and 3 number 8's as it were (Cabaye, Puncheon, McArthur) no one can properly play a number 10 role yet that's one part of why I think we started to struggle under Pardew's 4-2-3-1 and his attempts at a 4-4-2 didn't fair much better.

Nice analysis. I was thinking about the 4-3-3 and how that might work well for us based on the midfield trio of Punch/Mac, Mili and Cabaye, but you're right that, up front, we'd be best suited having a No 10 playing off Benteke with Wilf or Townsend supplying width. I don't know enough about Kai Kai to suggest that's a role he could grow into, but I really think that's the only tweak to the squad (outside of position for position upgrades) that we need.

I read that de Boer plays 4-3-3 with the ball, 4-5-1 without it, and likes a fast transition from defence to attack. The possession element occurs in the attacking third, when/if the initial break has been stifled. I love the sound of that!

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 23 Jun 17 3.13pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by GladAllOver27

Mutch , ward , Kelly

Given his playing history, I'd be interested to see how de Boer could help develop Kelly. If Dann gets healthy and Tomkins stays healthy, plus Kelly and Damo, we could have a very effective central defense. Save the Sakho money for a new RB and/or No 10.

Edited by Ray in Houston (23 Jun 2017 3.17pm)

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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