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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 29 Jun 17 10.29am Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Words are nothing more than a means of getting from A to B,rather than something to be explored, dissected and altered for personal gain.


Edited by Willo (28 Jun 2017 6.10pm)

Are you quoting Shakespeare?

 

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Originally posted by chateauferret

The Dutch and the Germans (for example) often speak better English than we do because they give a t0$$ about grammar and correctness whereas many English speakers do not. However, English as a language is heavily dependent on nuance and subtleties in its vocabulary and usage and it is difficult to be really in tune with all that if you are not a native speaker, notwithstanding that English probably has more non-native speakers worldwide than any other language.

I don't know for sure but I'd be amazed if Dutch and Germans, to name just two cultures, use language in the non-U snobby way that we do over here, innit. Education is more of a universal, everyman concept in other countries, too many people here think a good education is related to our ridiculous notion of 'poshness'.

Edited by chateauferret (29 Jun 2017 8.23am)

 

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View rollercoaster's Profile rollercoaster Flag Cornwall 29 Jun 17 10.47am Send a Private Message to rollercoaster Add rollercoaster as a friend

Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan

Now I have lived in England for a while, but I would not consider that good English.... Mind you, there is a chap at Everton who really is "tenenkrommend" (toe bending) as we say in Dutch

You are right with the danger of taking things literally. I liked the interview he gave. I shall be honest: I am not at all sure he is a good fit for us, but I do think he is a decent bloke. Lets hope he proves me wrong!

Well said, I totally agree with your last paragraph.


 

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chateauferret Flag 30 Jun 17 12.23pm

Originally posted by Willo

Words are nothing more than a means of getting from A to B.

Zat right? I usually use a car or a train.

 


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chateauferret Flag 30 Jun 17 12.34pm

Originally posted by ex hibitionist
I don't know for sure but I'd be amazed if Dutch and Germans, to name just two cultures, use language in the non-U snobby way that we do over here, innit. Education is more of a universal, everyman concept in other countries, too many people here think a good education is related to our ridiculous notion of 'poshness'.


Such snobbishness manifests itself amonng English speakers in such ways as vocabulary selection (using long and fancy words instead of straightforward ones), accent (affected RP), or hypercorrectness (trying to look clever but actually getting it wrong, for example using "whom" as a subject or "wherefore" when you mean "where" ). It's not my experience that Germans go in for such things. The vocabulary is less rich so doesn't allow much in the way of fancy choices, although a speaker may deliberately avoid foreign loan words in favour of calques (loan translations), such as "Fernsprecher" instead of "Telefon". The grammar is either correct or not, even people of limited education can decline the noun or send the verb to the end of a subordinate clause, although there are particular points that social status or attitude can be read into, such as whether you express posession with the genetive case or with "von" + dative. And they don't seem to go in for exaggerating a standard accent ("Ai seah, Chorles, Ai think Ai've fallen orff". "Realleah?" "Ears" ).

Edited by chateauferret (30 Jun 2017 12.35pm)

 


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View crvenaeagle's Profile crvenaeagle Flag 30 Jun 17 9.10pm Send a Private Message to crvenaeagle Add crvenaeagle as a friend

I might land myself in a spot of bother but after watching a few interviews with FdB since signing, I can't say I found the guy very inspiring. Almost uncomfortable in fact.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Jun 17 9.45pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by crvenaeagle

I might land myself in a spot of bother but after watching a few interviews with FdB since signing, I can't say I found the guy very inspiring. Almost uncomfortable in fact.

I've got to say at this point there was either some good spinning by Parish with the agreement from de Boer's camp with regard to either him being our 1st choice or us being his 1st choice.

If that were the case we'd have signed him before Southampton got close to deciding on Pellegrino. I'm not knocking the level of our 2nd choice, if that's what Frank is, or us being his, but the chances are its one of the 2. Or both. That phone call from Frank's agent to say Frank wasn't interested in Southampton, only us, I'm not 100% sold on, seeing as the Palace/Frank deal only happened once Pellegrino was agreed.

But then again either Frank or Parish or both are realistic and that's no bad thing. And as for Frank looking uncomfortable. I think he's perhaps a serious football pro, his last job was a while ago and a bad experience, plus he's struggling with English grammar a bit.

I've said before, I don't care massively about their appearances on tv, more how the team performs. As long as he sticks to what he says and doesn't go off on a tangent like managers do, getting stubborn and interested in their own image and promotion rather than being in tune with what the players can do.


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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 01 Jul 17 2.34am Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

FDB's not going to give too much away, if you based Wenger on his media stuff you wouldn't be too hopeful, what I thought gave grounds for optimism was when he was pressed on what tips about the prem Van Gaal told him ... silence. He'll reveal his secrets to the players.

 

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View est1905's Profile est1905 Flag 01 Jul 17 5.13pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan

So is someone who is able to construct coherent sentences like you really a Sun reader?

Snobbish it may be but my God do they write drivel!!

I read a number of differing publications from the Times to the Beano. I enjoy each for very differing reasons. Those who discount one over another are yes, very much snobs and usually a sheep that follows/attempts to impress other snobs.
Have I read the Sun? Yes very much so. Does it have faults? Loads. Can it be entertaining/informative? Every bit as much as the broadsheets.
In fact most of the time if you get your nose out the air you'll notice the red tops tend to break a story far quicker than the 'Gentleman's clubs'

 

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Originally posted by crvenaeagle

I might land myself in a spot of bother but after watching a few interviews with FdB since signing, I can't say I found the guy very inspiring. Almost uncomfortable in fact.

We've hired a football manager and not an after dinner speaker so I'm not too worried if he isn't at his best facing the world's media

 

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Originally posted by chateauferret

Such snobbishness manifests itself amonng English speakers in such ways as vocabulary selection (using long and fancy words instead of straightforward ones), accent (affected RP), or hypercorrectness (trying to look clever but actually getting it wrong, for example using "whom" as a subject or "wherefore" when you mean "where" ). It's not my experience that Germans go in for such things. The vocabulary is less rich so doesn't allow much in the way of fancy choices, although a speaker may deliberately avoid foreign loan words in favour of calques (loan translations), such as "Fernsprecher" instead of "Telefon". The grammar is either correct or not, even people of limited education can decline the noun or send the verb to the end of a subordinate clause, although there are particular points that social status or attitude can be read into, such as whether you express posession with the genetive case or with "von" + dative. And they don't seem to go in for exaggerating a standard accent ("Ai seah, Chorles, Ai think Ai've fallen orff". "Realleah?" "Ears" ).

Edited by chateauferret (30 Jun 2017 12.35pm)

danke mein freund - it's another thread but why do all the public schools play wugger and the state schools play 'chavball'? And is this perhaps a reason for our limitations in both fields. At least they don't bow to the duchess of kent at centre court any more, then there's the MCC - call me a corbynite if you like but I think there's a link between our indenic snobbery and our being a bit crap, it's not just sport either, compare our car industry to other countries.

 

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chateauferret Flag 01 Jul 17 9.16pm

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

danke mein freund - it's another thread but why do all the public schools play wugger and the state schools play 'chavball'? And is this perhaps a reason for our limitations in both fields. At least they don't bow to the duchess of kent at centre court any more, then there's the MCC - call me a corbynite if you like but I think there's a link between our indenic snobbery and our being a bit crap, it's not just sport either, compare our car industry to other countries.

I went to a school where they played wugger and a more pointless and irritating set of rituals and silly dances I can't imagine. And why it's called "Rugby football " beats me completely.

Edited by chateauferret (01 Jul 2017 9.16pm)

 


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