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 matt_himself  Matataland 07 Jul 17 5.27am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Imagine how badly the piss would be ripped out of a robot by a class of 15 year olds. I mean, the voice alone would be enough to send the robot suicidsl, and if it started getting lippy, just throw water at it! And imagine what miserable c*nts we'd all be if we spent 5 to 18 learning algebra with a f*cking robot every day? Hard to see C3PO being the fondly-remembered inspirational teacher is it? At least a robot teacher wouldn't try and touch you up after PE and would probably be much less of a miserable sod/borderline psycho than most of the teachers I encountered during my scholastic years.
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| Sportyteacher London 07 Jul 17 9.03am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
At least a robot teacher wouldn't try and touch you up after PE and would probably be much less of a miserable sod/borderline psycho than most of the teachers I encountered during my scholastic years. Matt: You evidently experienced very poor teaching that even borders on the criminal. Much better teachers nowadays although they'll always be a few bad eggs out there as there are in any other profession.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Jul 17 9.30am |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Matt: You evidently experienced very poor teaching that even borders on the criminal. Much better teachers nowadays although they'll always be a few bad eggs out there as there are in any other profession. No. He's just a WUM.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jul 17 9.36am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No. He's just a WUM. You obviously weren't at school in the 70's.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jul 17 10.40am |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Plenty of the self employed amongst us do this all the time. It's not just teachers.... Really, I'm self employed and I don't do six hours of free work every night, and if I did, I'd figure it into my charging rates. When my wife was a teacher, she'd get home about 5pm, eat etc then from about 7pm to 11pm plus she'd work on marking planning, preparation, ofstead etc. Five nights a week, for all of term time.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jul 17 10.43am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I agree....I think that's the most rational approach. Still, we have the problem of a little is never going to be enough anyway. I hope that whatever they come up with works....We need to be a little more German and less Italian.....to use rather enjoyable stereotypes....Well German, apart from their rather easy approach to a form of economic continual indentured servitude for client nations. The problem isn't really being dealt with. When the freeze ends, I can't see the Unions or public sector workers who've been pay frozen for 7 years, just accepting a slight increase - they're going to want, and I think rightly demand, something that compensates for the fact that for nearly a decade they've been losing out year on year in terms of real value. I'd imagine they'd be expecting a significant hike after 10 years of 1%.
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Johnny Eagles  berlin 07 Jul 17 10.44am |
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Not sure about robots, but it needs lots of reform. And not the progressive, hippy touchy-feely crap of the 1960s or the top-down bureacratic nonsense beloved by politicians. It's crazy that we are still having the same debate about education as we were in the 1960s (people on here have mentioned corporal punishment!) while the world of business and technology has moved on completely. Technology has to some extent entered the classroom, but you just need to look at the way entrepreneurs or blue chip corporates gather and use information, tools and resources to see that (most of) the stuff kids get taught in classrooms is just not useful anymore. Take exams, for example. Teaching kids to hold as much stuff as possible in their heads is not only pointless (we have more information immediately accesible at our fingertips than we could possibly process in a hundred lifetimes), it's counter-productive. Any businessperson worth his salt knows he needs to free his head from mundane information he can keep elsewhere (in a calender, in a database, in the cloud) so he can use his brain for having ideas and thinking in new directions. But we teach kids that they need to memorise stuff. Madness.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jul 17 10.48am |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
I agree but i am willing to bet that a lot of teachers wouldn't last long being self employed purely because running your own business is unprepredictable compared to a more regimented regime of teaching.No rule books (as such ) for entrepreneurs & the like you need to think fast and act faster. Edited by Jimenez (07 Jul 2017 1.14am) I dunno about that, I've worked with a lot of IT trainers who were ex-Teachers, and they seem to be doing very well and loving working less hours. Its not like they're used to working long periods without sickness, holiday, long hours, seemingly endless pointless government paperwork - without having to be responsible for 30 kids. I'd like to see most people try their hand at teaching full time, in a state school, if they think its easy. F**k me, I find self employment to be easier than permanent employment.
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We need a few more Steve Parish's & their Ilk running the country in my opinion rather than career politicians who wouldn't know how to run a bath without a intensive course at the local college (paid for by poor old taxpayer of course)| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jul 17 10.52am |
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Originally posted by Johnny Eagles
Not sure about robots, but it needs lots of reform. And not the progressive, hippy touchy-feely crap of the 1960s or the top-down bureacratic nonsense beloved by politicians. It's crazy that we are still having the same debate about education as we were in the 1960s (people on here have mentioned corporal punishment!) while the world of business and technology has moved on completely. Technology has to some extent entered the classroom, but you just need to look at the way entrepreneurs or blue chip corporates gather and use information, tools and resources to see that (most of) the stuff kids get taught in classrooms is just not useful anymore. Take exams, for example. Teaching kids to hold as much stuff as possible in their heads is not only pointless (we have more information immediately accesible at our fingertips than we could possibly process in a hundred lifetimes), it's counter-productive. Any businessperson worth his salt knows he needs to free his head from mundane information he can keep elsewhere (in a calender, in a database, in the cloud) so he can use his brain for having ideas and thinking in new directions. But we teach kids that they need to memorise stuff. Madness. It kind of always has been a poor measure of educational ability, and its created increasing generations for who education is being able to pass exams, and not understand the fundamental basis and arguments that underlie those questions. Working with some graduates I tend to find they know the thing, but not the why. They can spell, punctuate etc but cannot write - they lack the essence of the academic skills. It staggers me in IT just how poor a workforce, that 80% of which is university educated, do not understand referencing and report writing.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 07 Jul 17 1.21pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Really, I'm self employed and I don't do six hours of free work every night, and if I did, I'd figure it into my charging rates. When my wife was a teacher, she'd get home about 5pm, eat etc then from about 7pm to 11pm plus she'd work on marking planning, preparation, ofstead etc. Five nights a week, for all of term time.
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| elgrande bedford 07 Jul 17 2.54pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The problem isn't really being dealt with. When the freeze ends, I can't see the Unions or public sector workers who've been pay frozen for 7 years, just accepting a slight increase - they're going to want, and I think rightly demand, something that compensates for the fact that for nearly a decade they've been losing out year on year in terms of real value. I'd imagine they'd be expecting a significant hike after 10 years of 1%. I have worked for the same company now for 7 and a half years....no pay increase...so what about me,nurses and emergency services yes give them more than 1% by some way.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Jul 17 3.06pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
At least a robot teacher wouldn't try and touch you up after PE and would probably be much less of a miserable sod/borderline psycho than most of the teachers I encountered during my scholastic years. There is something about 'PE teachers' that seems to require a degree of sadism and psychopathy. I distinctly remember that our PE teachers were rather sad figures, who found 'belonging' in the achievements of preferred pupils, who were their 'friends' - everyone else PE was a means of exorcising their inner demons through sadism.
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