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 sa_eagle  Just outside Cape Town 26 Jul 17 7.25am |
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Electric cars make people feel better about themselves but merely shift the problem of pollution. The only viable future for the car (and quite possibly domestic electricity generation) is hydrogen.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 26 Jul 17 7.40am |
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jeeagles  26 Jul 17 8.13am |
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Interesting responses from the news papers reporting on this. The independent readers love it. The mail hates it. I would be surprised if this happened in 23 years but the meat statement will boost investment into electric cars to start making them more efficient. My old work had a fleet, I was sceptical about them at first, but after a short while they became my first choice. Mainly because plugging them in in the car park was easier than going down to stores to refuel. As mentioned before, central power generation is more efficient than doing it individually, it will also reduce noise and air pollution in populated cities. Increases in renewables will reduce the amount of fossil fuels we need but not eliminate it. In terms of energy security and our economy it will reduce our reliance on the middle east. Battery standardisation and life is still an issue. 90% plus of journeys are only local, so the vast majority of the time you don't need that much range. There is talk of developing batteries that can be swapped over at petrol stations, electrical induction loops in the carriageway and convoying which could all be alternatives to the slow charging process. I'm pretty much convinced this is the way we are going, but not for 100% of vehicles and not for 50 years. The bigger topic at the moment is driverless cars, which is something I don't think will happen (at least not for a very long time).
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| steeleye20 Croydon 26 Jul 17 9.39am |
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What do most of us do most in modern life? Has to be charging batteries. There is always a technical revolution in battery life and performance just about to happen, and it never does. So looks like technological advance is hampered by no corresponding battery advance. Where does the energy come from to cope with electric cars? Solar the way forward IMHO.
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Pussay Patrol  26 Jul 17 10.34am |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Obama's administration was pro-renewables but Trump's is most definitely not - he wants to resurrect coal FFS! . what do you think will produce the electric?
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| bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 26 Jul 17 10.37am |
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What ever we do in the UK is wiped out by other countries like the USA and China. Unless all countries adopt the same policy then not much point.There must be money to be made by the government to want to introduce such a scheme. Like always they will lose the duty on fuel but get it back plus some with an extra duty somewhere else.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 26 Jul 17 11.07am |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Interesting responses from the news papers reporting on this. The independent readers love it. The mail hates it. I would be surprised if this happened in 23 years but the meat statement will boost investment into electric cars to start making them more efficient. My old work had a fleet, I was sceptical about them at first, but after a short while they became my first choice. Mainly because plugging them in in the car park was easier than going down to stores to refuel. As mentioned before, central power generation is more efficient than doing it individually, it will also reduce noise and air pollution in populated cities. Increases in renewables will reduce the amount of fossil fuels we need but not eliminate it. In terms of energy security and our economy it will reduce our reliance on the middle east. Battery standardisation and life is still an issue. 90% plus of journeys are only local, so the vast majority of the time you don't need that much range. There is talk of developing batteries that can be swapped over at petrol stations, electrical induction loops in the carriageway and convoying which could all be alternatives to the slow charging process. I'm pretty much convinced this is the way we are going, but not for 100% of vehicles and not for 50 years. The bigger topic at the moment is driverless cars, which is something I don't think will happen (at least not for a very long time). Clearly the statement from the Government on the massive injection of cash to support research into battery life / development will dovetail nicely with today's announcement.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 26 Jul 17 11.08am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
what do you think will produce the electric?
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| Midlands Eagle 26 Jul 17 11.08am |
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Originally posted by bubble wrap
Last weekend over 6000 planes took off in the UK. Can never see planes not needing fuel and the impact on the environment from Heathrow in one day wipes out all the recycling we do in the UK for a whole year. No new petrol or diesel cars to be sold in a few years time but no mention made of the real inner city polluters, buses and lorries
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| Midlands Eagle 26 Jul 17 11.09am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
what do you think will produce the electric? Solar panels on every car roof
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| Lyons550 Shirley 26 Jul 17 11.10am |
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Originally posted by bubble wrap
What ever we do in the UK is wiped out by other countries like the USA and China. Unless all countries adopt the same policy then not much point.There must be money to be made by the government to want to introduce such a scheme. Like always they will lose the duty on fuel but get it back plus some with an extra duty somewhere else.
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| .TUX. 26 Jul 17 12.06pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
As has already been said, should electric be the only option available then the lost duty from petrol/diesel will have to be replaced and taxing a 'captive market' is like shooting fish in a barrel, so who knows what'll happen under 'any' govt?
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