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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Jul 17 11.22am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset


Why don't you want to know Moggs voting record. He's also good at filibustering.


As for not reading stuff...
The Dunning-Kruger effect

This tendency for people to express opinions on articles they've not even read is an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, which is the proven theory that the less of an expert a person is on a subject, the more they tend to underestimate their lack of knowledge. Thus a guy who reads nothing but simplistic pro-austerity narratives in the S*n or Daily Mail (written in the vocabulary of a 10 year old) might think himself an expert on economic issues, whilst an economics expert who understands how ludicrously complex the global derivatives market is, will know that it's now so complicated that it's far beyond the ability of even a visionary genius to understand the entire financial system.

Essentially what people are doing when they express an opinion on something they've not even bothered to read is taking the incredibly pompous stance that they're such an expert, and their perspective is so inherently perfect that they don't even need to examine the evidence before they share their sage and ever-so-important opinion.

Long before the Dunning-Kruger effect was formalised, the philosopher Bertrand Russell said "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."

Intellectual laziness

There is nothing wrong with forming an opinion just by looking at the title of an article and the associated image, in fact that's the way that most of us determine which links we're actually going to click and read, and which we're going to ignore.

The problem I have with intellectually lazy people is that they make the perfectly natural decision not to read an article, but then decide to share their blatantly unfounded opinion that the article they refuse to read is "absolute crap"!

The thought process they undergo is something like this:

1. I'm not going to read that because I don't like what I imagine that it says.
2. Nobody else should read articles that say things that I don't like.
3. I'm going to leave a comment saying how crap the article is in order to dissuade other people from reading it.

This kind of behaviour is about as clear a demonstration of intellectual laziness as is possible.

I find people who are ill-informed slightly annoying, but it's understandable that the person who hardly reads anything other than flicking through the copy of the Daily Mail/S*n in the workplace canteen has got some pretty weird misconceptions (like immigrants being to blame for everything or George Osborne being a genius). Okay, these people should still probably understand that the newspapers are propaganda devices, and that they shouldn't allow themselves to be so easily programmed with right-wing propaganda narratives, but they can't really be blamed for their lack of critical thinking skills (that's a result of the top-down authoritarian education system we suffer in this country) nor for failing to come across independent information sources (even a reasonably successful blog like mine is a minuscule drop in the ocean compared to the daily circulation of the S*n or the Daily Mail).

There is a huge difference between being misinformed, and the sheer intellectual laziness of choosing to completely ignore the information you've been presented with, yet trying to form a counter-argument anyway.


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More puerile "Gusseting".

Not bothered to read the contents which is of course my choice and given it is "Gusseting" the right choice.

Gussett in a 'Hissy Fit' because I will NOT pay attention to any of the plethora of 'Gusseting' on HOL. The heady ether of effluvia springs to mind.

Edited by Willo (08 Jul 2017 11.37am)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Jul 17 11.36am

Originally posted by Willo

More puerile "Gusseting".

Not bothered to read the contents which is of course my choice and given it is "Gusseting" the right choice.

irony klaxon

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Jul 17 11.39am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

irony klaxon

You clearly have one - You discredit Tory politicians yet have Corbyn and McDonnell in your ranks.
Maybe you have a 'Vuvuzela'.


 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Jul 17 11.46am

Originally posted by Willo

You clearly have one - You discredit Tory politicians yet have Corbyn and McDonnell in your ranks.
Maybe you have a 'Vuvuzela'.


Point completely missed there Willo.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Jul 17 12.02pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Point completely missed there Willo.

You deem that I "Missed".
You have been caught at slip.

Anyway, what the hell has this got to do with JRM ?

Must go out now my my wife - lucky her !

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 08 Jul 17 12.12pm

Originally posted by Willo

You deem that I "Missed".
You have been caught at slip.

Anyway, what the hell has this got to do with JRM ?

Must go out now my my wife - lucky her !

It has to do with you refusing to read jrms voting record,then boasting about not reading an article about the sort of people who say they won't read articles. I called this ironic and you started going on about Corbyn and McDonnell then cricket!

In fact you are complaining about going off topic when it's quite clearly yourself responsible by refusing to counter an argument about JRMs, quite frankly, appalling voting record which to mymind, no human being should be proud of.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Jul 17 1.03pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

It has to do with you refusing to read jrms voting record,then boasting about not reading an article about the sort of people who say they won't read articles. I called this ironic and you started going on about Corbyn and McDonnell then cricket!

In fact you are complaining about going off topic when it's quite clearly yourself responsible by refusing to counter an argument about JRMs, quite frankly, appalling voting record which to mymind, no human being should be proud of.

Who the hell was "Boasting" ?
Intentional "Terminological inexactitude" or a total mis-representation of my message ?

Irony lies in the fact that you wish to discredit Tory politicians yet in your Marxist ranks have the likes of Corbyn and McDonnell and those responsible for spreading "Fake news" on social media etc etc etc.

As for "Cricket" this was only a pertinent analogy based on your pontifications.

Regards "Voting records" all one sees are the headline facts without knowing precisely what was the detail of the Bill which might explain explanation for the opinions formed and the voting decisions.

JRM is a staunch catholic and he has said that his opinions are a religious matter. At the end of the day the 'Conservative Party' is a "Broad Church" - Labour alas much less so now that they have been taken over by the Hard-Left.

Edited by Willo (08 Jul 2017 1.07pm)

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 08 Jul 17 1.07pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Not sure what you call a person who is pre-occupied with incessant trawling of the Internet for Anti-Tory messages as part of a 'Leftie' agenda. Maybe it's called "Gusseting"

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 08 Jul 17 7.23pm

I believe that under existing UK legislation; he can't be PM so it is all moot.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 08 Jul 17 7.31pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

I believe that under existing UK legislation; he can't be PM so it is all moot.

I'm sure, if required, that this particular arcane legislation could be quickly removed. I'm sure Labour wouldn't object themselves.

Not that I think Mogg as leader is a good idea....a second choice for me.

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 08 Jul 17 7.35pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm sure, if required, that this particular arcane legislation could be quickly removed. I'm sure Labour wouldn't object themselves.

Not that I think Mogg as leader is a good idea....a second choice for me.

But it still there so it is moot, until being repealed.

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 08 Jul 17 7.42pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

I believe that under existing UK legislation; he can't be PM so it is all moot.

If that is a reference to him being Roman Catholic, then there is (and in reality never was) no legislation that actually bars him from being elected PM. It is only tradition rather than rule of Law.

 


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