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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 08 Jul 17 8.01pm |
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Originally posted by becky
If that is a reference to him being Roman Catholic, then there is (and in reality never was) no legislation that actually bars him from being elected PM. It is only tradition rather than rule of Law. Ah a Roman Catholic. Roman Catholic Relief Act 1829 c. 7 (Regnal. 10_Geo_4)Section 18: It shall not be lawful for any person professing the Roman Catholic religion directly or indirectly to advise his Majesty, or any person or persons holding or exercising the office of guardians of the United Kingdom, or of regent of the United Kingdom, under whatever name, style, or title such office may be constituted, [F1or the lord lieutenant of Ireland], touching or concerning the appointment to or disposal of any office or preferment in the [F2Church of England], or in the Church of Scotland; and if any such person shall offend in the premises he shall, being thereof convicted by due course of law, be deemed guilty of a high misdemeanor, and disabled for ever from holding any office, civil or military, under the Crown.
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 Midlands Eagle  09 Jul 17 7.49am |
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Originally posted by pefwin
I believe that under existing UK legislation; he can't be PM so it is all moot. What a stupid law that is. If things had gone differently a few years ago we would have had the Jewish Michael Howard as Prime Minister so it appears that we are selective about which religions are acceptable or not
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 becky over the moon 09 Jul 17 8.33am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
What a stupid law that is. If things had gone differently a few years ago we would have had the Jewish Michael Howard as Prime Minister so it appears that we are selective about which religions are acceptable or not Ah, but according to Pefwin's above post, there is nothing to prevent a Catholic from being Prime Minister - they just cannot have a say in any Church of England/Scotland matters - as in the appointment of Bishops.
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 09 Jul 17 11.02am |
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I have not said the law is correct, anyone should be allowed to be PM with the requisite electorial backing. We need to separate the Church from the State and become a secular country. I think Michael Howard could not have become PM, I think the issue is the same as the RC Emancipation Act, but different legislation. The same with Milleband.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Jul 17 7.55pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
I have not said the law is correct, anyone should be allowed to be PM with the requisite electorial backing. We need to separate the Church from the State and become a secular country. I think Michael Howard could not have become PM, I think the issue is the same as the RC Emancipation Act, but different legislation. The same with Milleband. Why not? Disraeli did. Edited by hedgehog50 (09 Jul 2017 7.56pm)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Jul 17 1.37pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
I have not said the law is correct, anyone should be allowed to be PM with the requisite electorial backing. We need to separate the Church from the State and become a secular country. I think Michael Howard could not have become PM, I think the issue is the same as the RC Emancipation Act, but different legislation. The same with Milleband. The Human Rights act nullifies this, as do the UK discrimination act of 2004. There is no requirement of religion on the prime minister. It would be illegal to prevent someone elected as PM on the basis of their religion, gender, disability or ethnicity. All manner of old laws exist on the books that are not eligible.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jul 17 2.58pm |
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While being impressed by Mogg I don't feel he has crossover appeal. He's very posh and that's likely to put the back up on plenty of people who come from places I come from. Him being a catholic shouldn't really be a matter of whether he challenged for PM or not. I'm sure that wouldn't stand. He's my third choice personally: Johnson Of the three Johnson has the strongest crossover appeal to the 'don't knows'. He's a funny, well known and an entertaining chap and while posh that matters... he cuts through to....Well, a large percent who aren't particularly interested in politics and their vote counts just the same as any activist or current affairs buff. But he appears to be very unpopular amongst the Tory elite....Still, if he doesn't lead them they really are cutting off their nose to spite their face and ruining our economics far beyond what any form of 'Brexit' could. Mind you...hatred from within a party is often more virulent than for the opposition.....So I could see it happening because....well...politics is also about egos. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jul 2017 3.03pm)
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 10 Jul 17 3.13pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
This Boris Johnson? Boris Johnson accused: 'you're a nasty piece of work' – video I'd personally be very pleased if they ended up being led by either Mogg or Johnson. Both would have very little appeal in areas the Tories need to win to have a majority and I can't see either of them doing anything other than losing the next election. Both are only really interested in themselves and their mates and would be poor PMs. I was trying to think who I'd like to be Tory leader from a positive point of view but they're all pretty loathsome and wedded to terrible policies based on narrow elitist interests. It's a pretty weak field. Maybe Ruth Davidson. I don't really like her either though. First test of where her interests lie and it was clear they didn't lie with Scotland but with her party in Westminster.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 10 Jul 17 3.15pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The Human Rights act nullifies this, as do the UK discrimination act of 2004. There is no requirement of religion on the prime minister. It would be illegal to prevent someone elected as PM on the basis of their religion, gender, disability or ethnicity. All manner of old laws exist on the books that are not eligible. Aren't these pieces of legislation in May's cross-hairs for extermination?
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jul 17 3.19pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
I'd personally be very pleased if they ended up being led by either Mogg or Johnson. Both would have very little appeal in areas the Tories need to win to have a majority and I can't see either of them doing anything other than losing the next election. Both are only really interested in themselves and their mates and would be poor PMs. I was trying to think who I'd like to be Tory leader from a positive point of view but they're all pretty loathsome and wedded to terrible policies based on narrow elitist interests. It's a pretty weak field. Maybe Ruth Davidson. I don't really like her either though. First test of where her interests lie and it was clear they didn't lie with Scotland but with her party in Westminster. Some 'former Tory' you were. As for Johnson, 'Don't knows' aren't likely to see politics how you see it. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jul 2017 3.21pm)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 10 Jul 17 4.08pm |
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Problem with Mogg, is that he comes across as an escapee from a Bertie Wooster novel. Similarly, Johnson is an escapee from an Evelyn Waugh novel. Has to be Davis - solid working class roots, knows what life is like for ordinary people, the others don't.
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coulsdoneagle  London 10 Jul 17 4.31pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Problem with Mogg, is that he comes across as an escapee from a Bertie Wooster novel. Similarly, Johnson is an escapee from an Evelyn Waugh novel. Has to be Davis - solid working class roots, knows what life is like for ordinary people, the others don't. David Davis really pushed for this election he was one of the people banging the drum to call a snap general election. As such a lot of people in the party blame him for essentially changing the PMs mind and he is unlikely to have the support of his party.
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