Jacob Rees-Mogg
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 matt_himself  Matataland 13 Sep 17 11.22am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
This thread is about Jacob Rees-Mogg and Matt's wish for him to be PM. If he were an Islamic Fundamentalist going for the top job you can just swap that for Catholic in my previous posts and see how it reads. DEFLECTION KLAKON.
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Kermit8  Hevon 13 Sep 17 11.46am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
They are a practising Catholic if they think or do the above but if they take a view that other people's morality is up to them, and allow others to choose their own path in life, then they are not fundamentalists. Fundamentalists actively seek others to think and act as they do. As in if a parent gave his six children a strict Catholic upbringing/brainwashing? I agree entirely.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Sep 17 11.47am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
If liberals force others to think and act as they do, then that is fascism. No contradiction. I think that's basically a cheap use of the term fascism. Kind of like calling conservatives fascists etc. Its a weakness I think of modern parlance that fascism has effectively come to mean 'forcing people to think and act in a certain way' which isn't really unique to fascism, and is seen to some degree in all political movements (left, central and right). Certainly fascism has that element to it, but there is a lot more to fascism than just 'enforced thought and behaviour'. And I blame the left for that.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Sep 17 11.52am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
They are a practising Catholic if they think or do the above but if they take a view that other people's morality is up to them, and allow others to choose their own path in life, then they are not fundamentalists. Fundamentalists actively seek others to think and act as they do. Fundamentalism places the authority of a (or certain) religious text and teaching (in this case) as an absolute and undeniable truth - that exceeds and surpasses any other law - irrespective of evidence or argument. And that law must be applied to all people. Being Catholic, doesn't make anyone a fundamentalist - Anymore than Islam or Protestantism does. Outlawing abortion on the basis of Catholic belief, would. But just because you have strong religious convictions - doesn't mean you're a fundamentalist. It requires that any questioning of religious text / dogma is wrong or false, and that the truth of existence for all must be based on that truth.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 13 Sep 17 11.57am |
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If anyone is still in doubt about our Jacob.. "In an interview with Radio 4, Rees-Mogg said that he had made it quite clear to his constituents that in this sort of matter [equal marriage rights} he takes his whip from the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church rather than the Whip’s Office"
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Sep 17 12.04pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
As in if a parent gave his six children a strict Catholic upbringing/brainwashing? I agree entirely. Maybe, but that would be true of any parent who gave a child a strict 'moral' upbringing. Catholic doctrine and belief doesn't entail the creation of fundamentalism (in fact arguably of all of the main stream Christian faiths, Catholicism is probably the least prone to this due to its basis in absolution for transgression, atonement for sins). Typically in fundamentalist religions the notion of forgiveness and alms, is none existent. Redemption can only be obtained by bringing others to the truth or destroying their heresy. Fundamentalism doesn't accept others, at all.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Sep 17 12.05pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
If anyone is still in doubt about our Jacob.. "In an interview with Radio 4, Rees-Mogg said that he had made it quite clear to his constituents that in this sort of matter [equal marriage rights} he takes his whip from the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church rather than the Whip’s Office" If that's true, then he should not stand as an MP; no one who is an MP should accept any primacy over them than their constituents.
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| Beanyboysmd 13 Sep 17 12.07pm |
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JRM is the toriest tory I have ever seen. I am starting to believe that he is a computer program like deep blue designed to see if a computer can out tory a tory. 15 years from now all tories will be obsolete and replaced by Jacob Reece Mogg computers that could calculate at hundreds of megatories a second. Tories everywhere will complain about losing their jobs and the JRM machine will simply tell them that the pain of tories is felt by everyone in the country and that when we get out of this difficult time we will come out of it a prosperous, stronger Britain... May have gone on a tangent there...if you want a proper tory leader he is probably your man is what I would say you should try to get out of that...
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 13 Sep 17 12.08pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think that's basically a cheap use of the term fascism. Kind of like calling conservatives fascists etc. Its a weakness I think of modern parlance that fascism has effectively come to mean 'forcing people to think and act in a certain way' which isn't really unique to fascism, and is seen to some degree in all political movements (left, central and right). Certainly fascism has that element to it, but there is a lot more to fascism than just 'enforced thought and behaviour'. And I blame the left for that. Orwell on this sort of thing: Edited by hedgehog50 (13 Sep 2017 12.08pm)
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| npn Crowborough 13 Sep 17 12.24pm |
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Genuine question: are those who are offended by JRM's religious beliefs equally concerned by those of any of the other religious types (any religion) or is it just his, or just because he is being touted as potential leader? Saying he will ban abortions etc because he is personally morally opposed to them is no more likely than saying Sadiq Khan or Nusrat Ghani (my MP) are likely to ban bacon or alcohol.
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 becky over the moon 13 Sep 17 12.51pm |
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Originally posted by npn
Genuine question: are those who are offended by JRM's religious beliefs equally concerned by those of any of the other religious types (any religion) or is it just his, or just because he is being touted as potential leader? Saying he will ban abortions etc because he is personally morally opposed to them is no more likely than saying Sadiq Khan or Nusrat Ghani (my MP) are likely to ban bacon or alcohol. Sadiq Khan has already banned advertising posters with women in underwear from the boards on London - claimed they were disrespectful to women.........
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| DanH SW2 13 Sep 17 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Sadiq Khan has already banned advertising posters with women in underwear from the boards on London - claimed they were disrespectful to women......... That was nothing to do with his religion.
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