Jacob Rees-Mogg
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 Stirlingsays  02 Oct 17 10.47am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
As a fundamentalist Catholic Jacob will do the right thing and withdraw his money from the investment group. He probably din't realise. However, if he keeps his dosh in... He is obviously not a fundamentalist catholic. In his interviews he says he's a democrat and respects the positions other people take. It is important to treat people fairly. I note how easily it is for you to call Christians fundamentalists. Being against abortion is not fundamentalist. Being against abortion does not mean that you force others to be so too. Where has Mogg ever said this? I repeat, it's important to treat people fairly. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Oct 2017 10.48am)
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Kermit8  Hevon 02 Oct 17 11.19am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
He is obviously not a fundamentalist catholic. In his interviews he says he's a democrat and respects the positions other people take. It is important to treat people fairly. I note how easily it is for you to call Christians fundamentalists. Being against abortion is not fundamentalist. Being against abortion does not mean that you force others to be so too. Where has Mogg ever said this? I repeat, it's important to treat people fairly. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Oct 2017 10.48am) If you could explain what is democratic about his attitude and self-confessed way of doing things I would be grateful: "In an interview with Radio 4, Rees-Mogg said that he had made it quite clear to his constituents that in this sort of matter (equal marriage rights (and therefore abortion too)) he takes his whip from the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church rather than the Whip’s Office"
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| Stirlingsays 02 Oct 17 12.35pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
If you could explain what is democratic about his attitude and self-confessed way of doing things I would be grateful: "In an interview with Radio 4, Rees-Mogg said that he had made it quite clear to his constituents that in this sort of matter (equal marriage rights (and therefore abortion too)) he takes his whip from the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church rather than the Whip’s Office"
It's exactly democratic. It's a matter of personal conscience how he votes. If his constituents don't like it they can vote him out. Tell me what the problem is?
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| Kermit8 Hevon 02 Oct 17 12.42pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's exactly democratic. It's a matter of personal conscience how he votes. If his constituents don't like it they can vote him out. Tell me what the problem is?
Because as a Member of Parliament in a secular democracy he is there not to represent his religion's prosaic views, which are not democratic, but that of his constituents, which are. He admits he chooses the former on issues where Catholic beliefs holds sway and not those of the people. Which makes him not fit for purpose. He is in the wrong job. Edited by Kermit8 (02 Oct 2017 12.52pm)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 02 Oct 17 12.52pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Because as a Member of Parliament in a secular democracy he is there not to represent his religion's prosaic views which is not democratic but that of his constituents which is. He admits he chooses the former on issues where Catholic beliefs holds sway and not those of the people. Which makes him not fit for purpose. He is in the wrong job. Edited by Kermit8 (02 Oct 2017 12.51pm) Nonsense as usual. Bishops that sit in the House of Lords are members of parliament.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Oct 17 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Because as a Member of Parliament in a secular democracy he is there not to represent his religion's prosaic views which is not democratic but that of his constituents which is. He admits he chooses the latter on issues where Catholic beliefs holds sway and not those of the people. Which makes him not fit for purpose. He is in the wrong job. I disagree. A member of parliament is definitely there to represent his constituents. However your suggestion that this means that every single politician should vote with the policy that their party tells them too.....That's wholly thinking. This makes politicians little more than pen pushers. Most sensible people recognise that there are certain issues for which politicans are allowed a vote of conscience. This area is one of them. If they disagree, they should vote against him. The fact that you don't recognise that some issues are matters of conscience and instead want to attack the man shows me that you aren't really interested in a fair analysis of the issue.. You called him a fundamentalist.....that was wholly unfair and inaccurate.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 02 Oct 17 12.56pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Nonsense as usual. Bishops that sit in the House of Lords are members of parliament. And since when was membership of the House of Lords down to democracy? Answer: Never
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| Stirlingsays 02 Oct 17 1.00pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
And since when was membership of the House of Lords down to democracy? Answer: Never Thank goodness....a publicaly elected second chamber would not be a good thing. They need to be experts rather than politicians. They do not introduce laws.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 02 Oct 17 1.01pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Because as a Member of Parliament in a secular democracy he is there not to represent his religion's prosaic views, which are not democratic, but that of his constituents, which are. He admits he chooses the former on issues where Catholic beliefs holds sway and not those of the people. Which makes him not fit for purpose. He is in the wrong job. Edited by Kermit8 (02 Oct 2017 12.52pm) Which constituents' views should he conform to?
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| Kermit8 Hevon 02 Oct 17 1.05pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I disagree. A member of parliament is definitely there to represent his constituents. However your suggestion that this means that every single politician should vote with the policy that their party tells them too.....That's wholly thinking. This makes politicians little more than pen pushers. Most sensible people recognise that there are certain issues for which politicans are allowed a vote of conscience. This area is one of them. If they disagree, they should vote against him. The fact that you don't recognise that some issues are matters of conscience and instead want to attack the man shows me that you aren't really interested in a fair analysis of the issue.. You called him a fundamentalist.....that was wholly unfair and inaccurate. No, it isn't. Fundamentalism indicates very strict personal attachment to a set of irreducible beliefs within a religious context. That's our Jacob and he is not pretending he is something he is not to give him his due respect. You are though with him.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 02 Oct 17 1.14pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Which constituents' views should he conform to? As it stands, in his head, only his own via Rome. Very democratic.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 02 Oct 17 1.18pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
And since when was membership of the House of Lords down to democracy? Answer: Never That's part of the reason why we are not a secular democracy, how many times does this need to be explain to the muppets.
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