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Bexley Eagle Bexley Kent 14 Jul 17 2.50pm
Originally posted by Brentmiester_General Would you rather be poor and living in peace, or rich and dead? Personally I would rather be rich and living in peace, but that unfortunately that does not appear to be an option.
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Bexley Kent 14 Jul 17 2.50pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Would you rather be poor and living in peace, or rich and dead?

Personally I would rather be rich and living in peace, but that unfortunately that does not appear to be an option.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Jul 17 4.06pm
Originally posted by Brentmiester_General What's your take on Mr Leary? I quite like a lot of his writings, its easy to forget that he was a very accomplished and well respected academic, and his writings on Hallucinogens up to his expulsion from Harvard (and became more of a celebrity) are very good. Although things got a bit out of hand, his persecution and 'crucifixion' were massively disproportionate, as was the legal sanctions (30 years for a couple of joints). Once he became 'Timothy Leary' 60s Guru, it gets increasingly w***. Its a bit like Terrance McKenna, once you get past the 'celebrity drug culture hero stuff' there is some very important work, which has unfortunately been ridiculously retarded by a moralist mentality in society. Sadly, research into psychedelics has been so restricted by a 'moral press' and popularist governments, that we're only now finding that much of McKenna and Leary's (among others) work was correct. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 14 Jul 17 4.06pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

What's your take on Mr Leary?

I quite like a lot of his writings, its easy to forget that he was a very accomplished and well respected academic, and his writings on Hallucinogens up to his expulsion from Harvard (and became more of a celebrity) are very good. Although things got a bit out of hand, his persecution and 'crucifixion' were massively disproportionate, as was the legal sanctions (30 years for a couple of joints).

Once he became 'Timothy Leary' 60s Guru, it gets increasingly w***.

Its a bit like Terrance McKenna, once you get past the 'celebrity drug culture hero stuff' there is some very important work, which has unfortunately been ridiculously retarded by a moralist mentality in society.

Sadly, research into psychedelics has been so restricted by a 'moral press' and popularist governments, that we're only now finding that much of McKenna and Leary's (among others) work was correct.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Jul 17 4.10pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 We will never agree on whom to target. And what do you think of The Tories refusing to make public just who is funding extremism here and thus, by definition, the attacks on UK soil? By default we need to target those in the UK planning and funding terrorism, and those abroad involved in it. Its not a small or big picture thing, both are intrinsically linked. Its not something that can be 'just solved in the UK' its a global problem, that exists on multiple levels and feeds into a number of different cultural and political streams. From the Middle-East, to Palestine, to pakistan, Saudi, Iran to the Philippines and Indonesia. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 14 Jul 17 4.10pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

We will never agree on whom to target.

And what do you think of The Tories refusing to make public just who is funding extremism here and thus, by definition, the attacks on UK soil?

By default we need to target those in the UK planning and funding terrorism, and those abroad involved in it. Its not a small or big picture thing, both are intrinsically linked.

Its not something that can be 'just solved in the UK' its a global problem, that exists on multiple levels and feeds into a number of different cultural and political streams. From the Middle-East, to Palestine, to pakistan, Saudi, Iran to the Philippines and Indonesia.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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