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Farawayeagle Sydney 15 Jul 17 2.25am
Originally posted by nickgusset [Link] Nick Nick Nick. You don't back up an assertion like yours with an article from a clearly biased media source like The Guardian. If it were from a non partizan source,then that's different. I would say the same if someone were quoting a pro Tory publican to support May. That list reminds me of the climate alarmists list of the so called 97 percent of scientists supporting the scare. When you drill down Into the qualifications and contributions to the opinion a different story emerges. I come from the school journalism where you examine the different views on both sides and realize there are pros and cons on both sides. Truth in the middle. Some of Corbyn's policies were like Fantasy football. If you admit that your stance has more credibility. Here in Australia we have a similar situation, with Labor promising Massive unfunded spends on education and health and more favourable funding for Students despite record numbers of dropouts and in people not repaying their student loans. The country is in massive debt and Labor want to borrow more to fund their Santa Claus Economics. The Australian version of the Tories aren't much better with core voters abandoning them to go to more conservative non mainstream parties like One Nation (the Australian version of UKIP) and other independents. Both sides of traditional politics are losing out With the two majors being around 35 percent of primary vote and dropping. I can't understand intelligent people these days continuing to be rusted on advocates for one or other of the majors. A pox on both their houses. Founder Of The Crystal Palace Roller Coaster Association An Affiliate Of The Never A Dull Moment Club R.I.P. DJ Hardline -- Gone Way Too Soon GKAS Member 54
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Sydney 15 Jul 17 2.25am

Originally posted by nickgusset

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Nick Nick Nick. You don't back up an assertion like yours with an article from a clearly biased media source like The Guardian.
If it were from a non partizan source,then that's different.
I would say the same if someone were quoting a pro Tory publican to support May.

That list reminds me of the climate alarmists list of the so called 97 percent of scientists supporting the scare. When you drill down
Into the qualifications and contributions to the opinion a different story emerges. I come from the school journalism where you examine the different views on both sides and realize there are pros and cons on both sides. Truth in the middle. Some of Corbyn's policies were like Fantasy football. If you admit that your stance has more credibility.

Here in Australia we have a similar situation, with Labor promising
Massive unfunded spends on education and health and more favourable funding for Students despite record numbers of dropouts and in people not repaying their student loans. The country is in massive debt and Labor want to borrow more to fund their Santa Claus Economics.

The Australian version of the Tories aren't much better with core voters abandoning them to go to more conservative non mainstream parties like One Nation (the Australian version of UKIP) and other independents. Both sides of traditional politics are losing out
With the two majors being around 35 percent of primary vote and dropping.

I can't understand intelligent people these days continuing to be rusted on advocates for one or other of the majors. A pox on both their houses.

Founder Of The Crystal Palace Roller Coaster
Association

An Affiliate Of The Never A Dull Moment Club

R.I.P. DJ Hardline -- Gone Way Too Soon

GKAS Member 54

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serial thriller The Promised Land 15 Jul 17 2.56am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 So you'll be voting for Corbyn then ... Arguably I think the only real option is a general election (long term) but I don't think it'll produce a better result than a hung parliament - The conservatives are very short on new leadership options. Also they'll wait until the Grenfell fire 'quietens' down a bit. Whilst its in no way the Conservatives fault, people will tend to see it as a tragedy that the middle and upper classes of society will never have to experience and its certainly Labour who benefit from the political fall out. The Conservatives problem is they have a leader who is popular with their party, but not the electorate, and the opposition has a leader who is unpopular with his party, but popular with the electorate. Plus the Conservatives are very short of leadership options. So far it appears that it Hogg or Johnson. Ermmm i'm sorry what? We know that last year, the Tories voted down legislation requiring landlords to make their homes safely habitable. We know Gavon Barwell as Housing Minister refused to implement white paper reccommendations about fire safety in social housing. We know David Cameron promised an 'end to red tape' around housing under his leadership. We know that the local Tory council was dismissive of continuous complaints by residents about the safety of the block, that legal aid cuts by the tory government blocked access to legal advice for those residents, and ultimately an ethos of liberalisation from government regulation - neoliberalism if you like - was behind all of this, and has been gospel in the tory party now for 40 years. Are Labour and Corbyn squeaky clean? Of course not, they have failed on council level too. But to say Grenfell was 'in no way the Conservatives fault' is to let a corrupted, power hungry alliance off the hook when they clearly viewed human sacrifice as an acceptable price to pay for their ideological aims. Edited by serial thriller (15 Jul 2017 2.57am) If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

So you'll be voting for Corbyn then ... Arguably I think the only real option is a general election (long term) but I don't think it'll produce a better result than a hung parliament - The conservatives are very short on new leadership options.

Also they'll wait until the Grenfell fire 'quietens' down a bit. Whilst its in no way the Conservatives fault, people will tend to see it as a tragedy that the middle and upper classes of society will never have to experience and its certainly Labour who benefit from the political fall out.

The Conservatives problem is they have a leader who is popular with their party, but not the electorate, and the opposition has a leader who is unpopular with his party, but popular with the electorate.

Plus the Conservatives are very short of leadership options. So far it appears that it Hogg or Johnson.

Ermmm i'm sorry what? We know that last year, the Tories voted down legislation requiring landlords to make their homes safely habitable. We know Gavon Barwell as Housing Minister refused to implement white paper reccommendations about fire safety in social housing. We know David Cameron promised an 'end to red tape' around housing under his leadership. We know that the local Tory council was dismissive of continuous complaints by residents about the safety of the block, that legal aid cuts by the tory government blocked access to legal advice for those residents, and ultimately an ethos of liberalisation from government regulation - neoliberalism if you like - was behind all of this, and has been gospel in the tory party now for 40 years.

Are Labour and Corbyn squeaky clean? Of course not, they have failed on council level too. But to say Grenfell was 'in no way the Conservatives fault' is to let a corrupted, power hungry alliance off the hook when they clearly viewed human sacrifice as an acceptable price to pay for their ideological aims.

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If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Face in Wetherspoons 15 Jul 17 7.10am
Originally posted by matt_himself It's quite obvious that Theresa is a dead PM. It's quite obvious that people voted for Jezza as a protest against Theresa's unpopular policies and hubris. It's also quite obvious that the majority do not support either Theresa or Jezza as PM, otherwise they would have been elected at the last election with a majority. Therefore, does Britain sit though 4 odd years of legislative log jam, wasting the greatest opportunity this country has had in several generations (Brexit), or force another General Election, forcing a new Tory leader to take a positive agenda to the public against Jezza's cash w* s*list? The Conservatives will stick it out for a full five year term while they sort themselves out, get the right wing press to discredit Jeremy's La La Land Policies and groom an acceptable new Leader to go to the Polls with. May shot herself in the foot by annoying the grey voters whilst Jeremy attracted the young with his bag of goodies. The Tory top brass will not let this happen again. (
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Originally posted by matt_himself

It's quite obvious that Theresa is a dead PM.

It's quite obvious that people voted for Jezza as a protest against Theresa's unpopular policies and hubris.

It's also quite obvious that the majority do not support either Theresa or Jezza as PM, otherwise they would have been elected at the last election with a majority.

Therefore, does Britain sit though 4 odd years of legislative log jam, wasting the greatest opportunity this country has had in several generations (Brexit), or force another General Election, forcing a new Tory leader to take a positive agenda to the public against Jezza's cash w*** s***list?

The Conservatives will stick it out for a full five year term while they sort themselves out, get the right wing press to discredit Jeremy's La La Land Policies and groom an acceptable new Leader to go to the Polls with. May shot herself in the foot by annoying the grey voters whilst Jeremy attracted the young with his bag of goodies. The Tory top brass will not let this happen again. (

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Pussay Patrol 16 Jul 17 4.13am
Can't ever see Tories getting their majority back, the pendulum has swung the other way, people have had enough of austerity and I think the social media campaign by labour was a clever move. If they could just have a more palatable leader like chukka ummuna they'd be electable Paua oouaaranc� Ir� chiyeah Ish� gal� ma ba oo ah
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16 Jul 17 4.13am

Can't ever see Tories getting their majority back, the pendulum has swung the other way, people have had enough of austerity and I think the social media campaign by labour was a clever move. If they could just have a more palatable leader like chukka ummuna they'd be electable

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steeleye20 Croydon 16 Jul 17 9.50am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Can't ever see Tories getting their majority back, the pendulum has swung the other way, people have had enough of austerity and I think the social media campaign by labour was a clever move. If they could just have a more palatable leader like chukka ummuna they'd be electable So time for our first black PM a sort of mini Obama and seems decent guy. Long standing Palace fan if you can survive that you must have something.
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

So time for our first black PM a sort of mini Obama and seems decent guy.

Long standing Palace fan if you can survive that you must have something.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Jul 17 10.27am
Originally posted by serial thriller Ermmm i'm sorry what? We know that last year, the Tories voted down legislation requiring landlords to make their homes safely habitable. We know Gavon Barwell as Housing Minister refused to implement white paper reccommendations about fire safety in social housing. We know David Cameron promised an 'end to red tape' around housing under his leadership. We know that the local Tory council was dismissive of continuous complaints by residents about the safety of the block, that legal aid cuts by the tory government blocked access to legal advice for those residents, and ultimately an ethos of liberalisation from government regulation - neoliberalism if you like - was behind all of this, and has been gospel in the tory party now for 40 years. Are Labour and Corbyn squeaky clean? Of course not, they have failed on council level too. But to say Grenfell was 'in no way the Conservatives fault' is to let a corrupted, power hungry alliance off the hook when they clearly viewed human sacrifice as an acceptable price to pay for their ideological aims. Edited by serial thriller (15 Jul 2017 2.57am) Sounds like the words of 'McDonnell' seeking to exploit public tragedy for partisan gain. If this chap wants to shriek about "Political murderers" which is as repugnant as it is inaccurate perhaps he needs to point the finger at his own party for Labour councils are maybe even more to blame for any flawed installations.The majority of tower blocks that have failed safety tests so far are in Labour municipalities including Manchester and Sunderland. At Camden, where more than 3000 residents had to be evacuated from several blocks, the flammable cladding was fixed in 2006 by a Labour council working under a Blair Government. There will be an in-depth enquiry in Grenfell - let's wait for the findings before jumping to any conclusions and casting blame before fully knowing all the facts. I have spouted enough about Grenfell and the odious McDonnell so nothing more to add. Edited by Willo (16 Jul 2017 10.27am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Jul 17 10.27am

Originally posted by serial thriller

Are Labour and Corbyn squeaky clean? Of course not, they have failed on council level too. But to say Grenfell was 'in no way the Conservatives fault' is to let a corrupted, power hungry alliance off the hook when they clearly viewed human sacrifice as an acceptable price to pay for their ideological aims.

Edited by serial thriller (15 Jul 2017 2.57am)

Sounds like the words of 'McDonnell' seeking to exploit public tragedy for partisan gain.

If this chap wants to shriek about "Political murderers" which is as repugnant as it is inaccurate perhaps he needs to point the finger at his own party for Labour councils are maybe even more to blame for any flawed installations.The majority of tower blocks that have failed safety tests so far are in Labour municipalities including Manchester and Sunderland. At Camden, where more than 3000 residents had to be evacuated from several blocks, the flammable cladding was fixed in 2006 by a Labour council working under a Blair Government.

There will be an in-depth enquiry in Grenfell - let's wait for the findings before jumping to any conclusions and casting blame before fully knowing all the facts.

I have spouted enough about Grenfell and the odious McDonnell so nothing more to add.

Edited by Willo (16 Jul 2017 10.27am)

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