And 70 plus years later not many Jews left at all in central and Eastern Europe. Their communities disappeared for ever. What an abominable cvnt he truly was.

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In general terms of how the UK would have been treated....Hitler would have treated us better than Stalin....though obviously not if you were Jewish.

Hitler had pan European elements to his future thinking ...Second class citizens to a German idealised 'Sparta' state.

Stalin....I have no idea what he would have done if he'd gained world hegemony.....Soviet Poland is perhaps an example.

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In 1941

There Germans weren't not really. They were fighting in Africa, but the Africa Korp weren't likely to be committed to the Eastern Front as they would have needed to be entirely re-equipped, and had been committed to North Africa long before the Germans planned and launched Operation Barbarossa.

The UK and US war effort in support of Russia was purely the provision of logistics until the invasion of Sicily, by which time the German Eastern Front was in retreat and the German offensive at Kursk was smashed - By that point the German army on the Eastern Front was beaten.

Of course they did have to occupy Europe, but the UK was in no way ready to launch an invasion of Mainland Europe until 1944.

The second front, with the invasion of Normandy sped up the end of the war, as did the invasion of Sicily (which prevented forces being redeployed to the Eastern Front).

Similarly, the Japanese forces were engaged with and fighting the British in the far East, before the attack on the US and Pearl Harbour. If they hadn't attacked Pearl Harbour, then yes, its conceivable the Japanese could have targeted Australia - But once it committed to fighting the US, it lacked sufficient naval capacity to both defend against the US and to launch a land invasion across that kind of distance.

The Japanese fleet could not have provided air cover from its fleet for both an invasion of Australia and the battle of the Pacific fleets. Had they tried to invade Australia, without naval protection, their ships would have been decimated by the Australian and New Zealand airforce long before they got close to landing.

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I don't think it is possible to predict the outcome of a German/Russian war without allied involvement. It changes the whole picture. We would have to assume no European invasion by Germany, no fighting in Africa and only guess at the timing and deployment for a German offensive in Russia.

Had Japan not attacked America and just expanded in the local region then Australia and New Zealand might have been targeted. There are too many to variables when dealing with human decisions and of course, none of this would have happened without triggering action by other nations at some stage.

I'd probably make a stop off for Stalin, Lennin and Trotters just to get the full set, probably a bit of Mao as well.

I'd be curious though, what would have happened if Hitler wasn't born or died before becoming the leader of the National Socialist party of Germany. Would it avert the war, would the outcome of the war have been different? Could we be speaking German if the Military command had been answering less to a political idealist, than a pragmatist.

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