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 Hrolf The Ganger  16 Jul 17 7.55pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
It must have to be seriously tiny to be bothered about a fictional kids' tv character being a woman. Dr Who has always been a bit of a barometer of British attitudes, or at least, those thrust upon us, so I think it's a reasonable discussion.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Jul 17 8.00pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
You're entitled to your view. Unlike you, I'm not going to lose sleep over what colour bond is, or if his hair cut or inside leg measurements match the book, i'll leave that to you. I've seen every Bond film and I'll continue to do so without a list of requirements going in.
Bond is a bit different. He's an Ian Fleming character and he's described as white....what is it... Scottish father and Swiss mother...pretty detailed. Like Shaft it would be a bit off going against that. Shaft being black is kind of the point....Mind you it could be done....I mean you can be Scottish and Swiss and identify as English and not be white of course. I'm not against the idea in principle...But it is going against the books.....Still, as long as it wasn't done for tokenism Meritocracy.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Jul 17 8.02pm |
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I recall watching 'Doctor Who' with William Hartnell when it first came out in 1963.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jul 17 8.02pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
You're entitled to your view. Unlike you, I'm not going to lose sleep over what colour bond is, or if his hair cut or inside leg measurements match the books, i'll leave that to you. I've seen every Bond film and I'll continue to do so without a list of requirements going in.
How much sleep you or I get is beside the point. James Bond is a White man because the books say so. No Black man could play Bond in the same way that no White man could play Shaft.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Jul 17 8.02pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Dr Who has always been a bit of a barometer of British attitudes, or at least, those thrust upon us, so I think it's a reasonable discussion. TV is like music. Most of it most of the time is throwaway rubbish. But occasionally gems fall out of the sky and transcend the time period they were written in. Or some b0llocks like that.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jul 17 8.08pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
TV is like music. Most of it most of the time is throwaway rubbish. But occasionally gems fall out of the sky and transcend the time period they were written in. Or some b0llocks like that. It's just entertainment. If you have something more entertaining to do then do that I say.
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| wordup 16 Jul 17 8.09pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Bond is a bit different. He's an Ian Fleming character and he's described as white....what is it...part Scottish and Russian...pretty detailed. Like Shaft it would be a bit off going against that. Shaft being black is kind of the point....Mind you it could be done. I'm not against the idea in principle...But it is going against the books.....Still, as long as it wasn't done for tokenism Meritocracy. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jul 2017 8.01pm) I certainly take your heritage points, though the average cinema goer, in part because Bond has been played by several actors, may be just as likely to describe characteristics of bond as suave, sophisticated, ladies man and so on. From that perspective I can see how that might not always align with a particular colour. I admit that I liked the possibility of Idris Elba getting the nod, but as I say, I like the franchise - and the stories many of which it's worth mentioning are completely different from the books - so I'll be sticking with it come what may!
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| wordup 16 Jul 17 8.12pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
How much sleep you or I get is beside the point. James Bond is a White man because the books say so. No Black man could play Bond in the same way that no White man could play Shaft. You're think you'd unearthed a religious text. There are many US movies where white Americans play what are 'in the books' non white foreign characters. It doesn't bother me. For uniformity I assume you were outraged? It sounds like there's only one shaft you're interested in, and that's bonds. Edited by wordup (16 Jul 2017 8.17pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jul 17 8.16pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
I certainly take your heritage points, though the average cinema goer, in part because Bond has been played by several actors, may be just as likely to describe characteristics of bond as suave, sophisticated, ladies man and so on. From that perspective I can see how that might not always align with a particular colour. I admit that I liked the possibility of Idris Elba getting the nod, but as I say, I like the franchise - and the stories many of which it's worth mentioning are completely different from the books - so I'll be sticking with it come what may!
He could not be Bond in any universe. He can barely speak properly let alone be a suave spy. Denzel Washington might have pulled it off.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Jul 17 8.18pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
I certainly take your heritage points, though the average cinema goer, in part because Bond has been played by several actors, may be just as likely to describe characteristics of bond as suave, sophisticated, ladies man and so on. From that perspective I can see how that might not always align with a particular colour. I admit that I liked the possibility of Idris Elba getting the nod, but as I say, I like the franchise - and the stories many of which it's worth mentioning are completely different from the books - so I'll be sticking with it come what may!
True....the books are a different thing to films....license and all that....license to thrill so to speak. I think Idris Elba is a bit old now...He's a talent though....Maybe a one off film. Fassbender or Cavill would be pretty strong....Mind you they are getting on a bit as well....Perhaps it's time for some younger talent. It's an iconic role, as long as they get it right....they did with Craig. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jul 2017 8.19pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jul 17 8.18pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
You're think you'd unearthed a religious text. There are many US movies where white Americans play what are 'in the books' non white foreign characters. It doesn't bother me. For uniformity I assume you were outraged? It sounds like there's only one shaft you're interested in, and that's bonds. Edited by wordup (16 Jul 2017 8.17pm) Since you are such a fan yourself I think you might be projecting.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Jul 17 8.22pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I recall watching 'Doctor Who' with William Hartnell when it first came out in 1963. But what did she think of Doctor Who?
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