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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That explains quite a lot! It's good news though that Robinson won't achieve any kind of official status as I for one would feel very ashamed if someone like him was chosen to represent my country at any level. Having his own "media role", TV or YouTube channel, is fine. Those who admire him will no doubt enjoy his platform and promote it as the source of real news, whilst everything else is fake in true Trumpian style, but the rest of us can add it to the list of outlets to be disregarded or ridiculed, like Breitbart and InfoWars.

What has Robinson stated exactly that was fake news?

He was referring to Islamic rape gangs a long time before the Times exposured the story. Back when his critics were patting themselves on the back calling him a 'racist'.....indirectly making the institutions scared to act because of their idiotic commentary.

Indeed, some of what is coming from Robinson is going to concentrate on this hypocrisy from our so called guardians......most of whom live in nice areas and don't have to deal with the consequences of their politics.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What has Robinson stated exactly that was fake news?

He was referring to Islamic rape gangs a long time before the Times exposured the story. Back when his critics were patting themselves on the back calling him a 'racist'.....indirectly making the institutions scared to act because of their idiotic commentary.

Indeed, some of what is coming from Robinson is going to concentrate on this hypocrisy from our so called guardians......most of whom live in nice areas and don't have to deal with the consequences of their politics.

If you actually read what I wrote I didn't accuse Robinson of spreading "fake news" did I? I suggested he would likely declare everyone else is doing that, just as Trump does. Let's see though if it happens.

What he does do is rabble rouse and use emotional responses when cool heads would be more effective and less divisive. The MSM may well have suppressed stories at the behest of the authorities and done so for very good reasons.

We elect our politicians to take a broad and long view on how to solve societal problems and a loud mouth who thinks he knows better is not going to improve things at all. Indeed he may well make things a lot worse. Not that I expect you to even see that, let alone agree with it.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If you actually read what I wrote I didn't accuse Robinson of spreading "fake news" did I? I suggested he would likely declare everyone else is doing that, just as Trump does. Let's see though if it happens.

What he does do is rabble rouse and use emotional responses when cool heads would be more effective and less divisive. The MSM may well have suppressed stories at the behest of the authorities and done so for very good reasons.

We elect our politicians to take a broad and long view on how to solve societal problems and a loud mouth who thinks he knows better is not going to improve things at all. Indeed he may well make things a lot worse. Not that I expect you to even see that, let alone agree with it.

Well you wrote, 'Those who admire him will no doubt enjoy his platform and promote it as the source of real news'. So I take it you are suggesting that this isn't 'real news' so surely my assumption is fair enough.

In terms of what you think is wise in terms of Robinson highlighting problems I want to say this Wisbech.

I was brought up on lies about cohesion and integration. I grew up in an army family....a working class BBC family who trusted its 'betters'. It took actual life experience to realise the truth about how it actually works.

How the middle class insulate themselves from the policies they support by house pricing.....how the reality is that integration only works when you have a small enough minority who then are forced to integrate to get by.....as soon as their numbers mean that they can group enough into an area to become significant there...integration stops for the majority and division increases.

Essentially you seem to be saying, 'let sleeping dogs lie' is some sort of way to steer a nation's ship. That's no different to sticking your head in the sand when the hopeless reality is that as demographics continue certain power bases in society will increase.

I've a right to be extremely angry because I wasn't only lied to I was told that I'm an nazi for holding the same commonplace beliefs that I was raised with....raised by the children of people who actually fought the Nazi regime.

What Robinson is saying isn't exactly what you want to hear Wisbech, I totally agree with you.....it isn't a reality I enjoy facing either.

But I'm in the camp of unpleasant truths rather than what some consider noble lies.

You also seem to be a bit ignorant of that fact that by suppressing stories the authorities allowed these rapes to continue for many years. Fathers were actually arrested for 'racism' for trying to protect their daughters.

You know why you get 'rabble rousers' Wisbech? I suspect being in a nice part of Cornwell you don't really want to know.

You might as well be saying, 'let them eat cake'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Apr 2019 6.52pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well you wrote, 'Those who admire him will no doubt enjoy his platform and promote it as the source of real news'. So I take it you are suggesting that this isn't 'real news' so surely my assumption is fair enough.

In terms of what you think is wise in terms of Robinson highlighting problems I want to say this Wisbech.

I was brought up on lies about cohesion and integration. I grew up in a army family....a working class BBC family who trusted its 'betters'. It took actual life experience to realise the truth about how it actually works.

Essentially you seem to be saying, 'let sleeping dogs lie' is some sort of way to steer a nation's ship. That's no different to sticking your head in the sand when the hopeless reality is that as demographics continue certain power bases in society will increase.

I've a right to be extremely angry because I wasn't only lied to I was told that I'm an nazi for holding the same commonplace beliefs that I was raised with....raised by the children of people who actually fought the Nazi regime.

What Robinson is saying isn't exactly what you want to hear Wisbech, I totally agree with you.....it isn't a reality I enjoy facing either.

But I'm in the camp of unpleasant truths rather than what some consider noble lies.

You also seem to be a bit ignorant of that fact that by suppressing stories the authorities allowed these rapes to continue for many years. Fathers were actually arrested for 'racism' for trying to protect their daughters.

You know why you get 'rabble rousers' Wisbech? I suspect being in a nice part of Cornwell you don't really want to know.

You might as well be saying, 'let them eat cake'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Apr 2019 5.18pm)

Robinson though doesn't just "highlight problems" does he? You can do that very effectively through the proper channels. He is stirring up hatred and dividing people, when what is needed is love and healing. Of course those who commit crime need to be caught and punished and those who protect others need support. What must not happen is to accuse whole communities and try to make them responsible for any criminals in their midst. Robinson and those who support him are at best short sighted and at worst racists trying to hide under a cloak of public service.

That you think you were fed lies about integration and cohesion doesn't mean they were lies. It is much more likely that the policies needed to achieve those noble aims are difficult to implement and are taking longer than people either wanted or anticipated. The bottom line though is that there is no achievable, respectable alternative. We have to persevere until we succeed or the whole world risks a catastrophe.

My father fought both the Nazis and the Japanese and I too was brought up in a deprived area, in a council house, where both my parents felt uncomfortable around anyone different.

I learned to think for myself and the biggest influence was in the last 20 years during which I have spent almost as much time in Asia as the UK. There I have seen real poverty and social stress at first hand. Christian and Muslim militias fight occasional skirmishes, their recruits joining much less because of ideology than that they get fed every day. They call ceasefires whenever they all want to watch sport on the TV. Behind them the ordinary people live side by side coping with the same daily struggles of feeding their families. The lesson I learned is that all people are basically the same and just need the opportunity to show it. Ridding the world of religion would stop all of these problems but until we do that we have to stop creating more division and concentrate on the healing.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Robinson though doesn't just "highlight problems" does he? You can do that very effectively through the proper channels.

That is completely deluded....don't you even know what happened? This whole situation proved that completely false

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

He is stirring up hatred and dividing people, when what is needed is love and healing.

Watch much Tommy Robinson do you? Or are you talking with about as much knowledge as you usually do.

Please, leave Cornwall and go and meet Islamic extremists and show them 'love and healing'. Those that preach need to live the preaching.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course those who commit crime need to be caught and punished and those who protect others need support. What must not happen is to accuse whole communities and try to make them responsible for any criminals in their midst. Robinson and those who support him are at best short sighted and at worst racists trying to hide under a cloak of public service.

Islam is not a race, how many times does this have to be stated.

This is Raheem Kassam, picture below, one of Robinson's friends and allies. You are spreading falsehoods out of ignorance or malignant intent.

I think Robinson has been interpreted as doing this 'whole' thing about once and he's been covering this years. I've watched a lot of his stuff and as usual you don't know what you are talking about.

You do enough dividing yourself.


Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That you think you were fed lies about integration and cohesion doesn't mean they were lies. It is much more likely that the policies needed to achieve those noble aims are difficult to implement and are taking longer than people either wanted or anticipated. The bottom line though is that there is no achievable, respectable alternative. We have to persevere until we succeed or the whole world risks a catastrophe.


So hang on here .....Internationalists like you, encourage mass immigration or at least widely increased immigration of widely divergent cultures....and then you have the bare faced cheek to say to those....decades later when we have to deal with yearly bomb and truck attacks..which happen across the world.....'We have to persevere'!!!

Yet in countries that didn't go down this internationalist route on immigration....they don't get these attacks.

How about the people who created this situation get to answer for it.

How about instead of telling people.....from your home in Cornwall...that they need to learn to enjoy their s***e sandwich. How about you go and live in the mess you support. You should live in Savile Town, because it's people like you who created it.

There are no policies from here that are now cost free....thanks to your ideology. However, policies such as banning male circumcision and the preparation of Halal meat would not only stop these barbaric practices but make this country less attractive to this issue.

But now, thanks to internationalists on immigration we have to live with multiple terrorist attacks a year and get told to tread carefully on what we say.....So we don't upset anyone.

Great Britain......What have they turned you into.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My father fought both the Nazis and the Japanese and I too was brought up in a deprived area, in a council house, where both my parents felt uncomfortable around anyone different.

I bet they would be so proud to see the country now. I suspect I know what my grandfather would think.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I learned to think for myself and the biggest influence was in the last 20 years during which I have spent almost as much time in Asia as the UK. There I have seen real poverty and social stress at first hand. Christian and Muslim militias fight occasional skirmishes, their recruits joining much less because of ideology than that they get fed every day. They call ceasefires whenever they all want to watch sport on the TV. Behind them the ordinary people live side by side coping with the same daily struggles of feeding their families. The lesson I learned is that all people are basically the same and just need the opportunity to show it. Ridding the world of religion would stop all of these problems but until we do that we have to stop creating more division and concentrate on the healing.


'Ridding the world of religion.' Not only is this a completely deluded statement to go along with the many you have made, even in this post. It's a complete and impractical suggestion. I don't believe anyone who spent time in Asia would even think this was possible.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That is completely deluded....don't you even know what happened? This whole situation proved that completely false

Of course I know "what happened"! How to handle it most effectively and permanently is the issue. That my opinion is different to yours doesn't make it false! You sound like Trump"

Watch much Tommy Robinson do you? Or are you talking with about as much knowledge as you usually do.Please, leave Cornwall and go and meet Islamic extremists and show them 'love and healing'. Those that preach need to live the preaching.

I have seen more than enough of Robinson to assess his attitude and approach to form a opinion. I might now live in Cornwall but I still travel a lot. For instance I was in Yorkshire for a week only recently (and got to see the victory at Newcastle). You though make my point for me. No-one questions the need to deal with extremists, or any other kind of criminals, whatever their background. What is wrong is to categorise a whole religion which is what people like Robinson do. You make the same mistake in using "Islamic" when just "extremists" is all that is needed. We don't describe the IRA as "Catholic" terrorists do we?

Islam is not a race, how many times does this have to be stated.

No it isn't and that is actually a major point here. The point I was making was that some people who support Robinson are, at worse, racists who don't understand that Islam is not a race and attack it under false pretensions.

So hang on here .....Internationalists like you, encourage mass immigration or at least widely increased immigration of widely divergent cultures....and then you have the bare faced cheek to say to those....decades later when we have to deal with yearly bomb and truck attacks..which happen across the world.....'We have to persevere'!!!

I don't consider myself an "internationalist". I consider myself a realist who accepts we are where we are. Which demands that we deal with things in a real way. One that is achievable and can yield actual results. Any debate over whether another approach in the past would have been better, or worse, conducted with hindsight, is a totally pointless exercise.

There are no policies from here that are now cost free....thanks to your ideology. However, policies such as banning male circumcision and the preparation of Halal meat would not only stop these barbaric practices but make this country less attractive to this issue.But now, thanks to internationalists on immigration we have to live with multiple terrorist attacks a year and get told to tread carefully on what we say.....So we don't upset anyone.

How we gradually move to a society where everyone feels comfortable may well involve having to ban things which are not acceptable to the majority of the UK population. Nothing should ever be permitted for religious reasons if it conflicts with the standards endorsed by the majority. That may well mean that we upset some people in the short term. Contrary to that should be that we shouldn't ban things that don't conflict, and just appear strange. We don't have to live with terrorist attacks. Terrorists need to be found and punished. They also need to be isolated from, and by, their religion. Any peace loving citizens, whatever their faith or lack of faith, need to be made welcome within the one race that really matters. The human race.


'Ridding the world of religion.' Not only is this a completely deluded statement to go along with the many you have made, even in this post. It's a complete and impractical suggestion. I don't believe anyone who spent time in Asia would even think this was possible.

I didn't say it was possible, I only said it was desirable but as it isn't possible we need to adopt practical solutions. Who knows what the future holds though? Religion won't die anytime soon, and certainly not in our lifetimes but if Christian belief in the UK can undergo such a decline as we have witnessed in the last 50 years then who can safely predict whether the future generations of those currently holding Muslim beliefs will remain as devout. In 100 years things may be very different and no-one will neither notice nor care.


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Edited by Wisbech Eagle (23 Apr 2019 10.50am)

 


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Wisbech there is so little that we can agree on.....that formulating replies becomes a long exhaustive process.

I'll leave it with a sad shake of the head.

 


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Imagine a lot of the climate protesters will also be out in force for Trump’s state visit in June. If they’re out of prison by then.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Wisbech there is so little that we can agree on.....that formulating replies becomes a long exhaustive process.

I'll leave it with a sad shake of the head.

There is nothing that you have said on this subject that is available to be agreed upon. Just like Robinson you list problems and make complaints. You ladle out blame but take none. More Trump like behaviour.

What is never there is any kind of positive suggestion about what can actually be done to make things better.

 


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Trump now personally suing congress to block the release of this tax returns.

I do so wonder what the scared bully is so scared of, in those tax returns.

It is simply standard these days for any president to release his tax records.

All you big Trump fans, why do you think he doesn't want his tax returns to be shown to the American public? Do you think its because everything is clean, clear and legal in those returns?

If its not, would all you Trump fans think that a financial crook should be president? Or is that just another bullet on your list of things that "doesnt impact" how good a president you are?


 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There is nothing that you have said on this subject that is available to be agreed upon. Just like Robinson you list problems and make complaints. You ladle out blame but take none. More Trump like behaviour.

What is never there is any kind of positive suggestion about what can actually be done to make things better.

I made policy suggestions. All you have to offer is to persevere with failure.

When people are blown, knifed and shot to bits this summer that's actual reality. Many of us will recognise those who were apart of the pipe dream ideology that worked to enable mass immigration and who have nothing practical to offer.

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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Trump now personally suing congress to block the release of this tax returns.

I do so wonder what the scared bully is so scared of, in those tax returns.

It is simply standard these days for any president to release his tax records.

All you big Trump fans, why do you think he doesn't want his tax returns to be shown to the American public? Do you think its because everything is clean, clear and legal in those returns?

If its not, would all you Trump fans think that a financial crook should be president? Or is that just another bullet on your list of things that "doesnt impact" how good a president you are?


This has been answered time and again Maine.

Trump's supporters don't care about his tax returns.

 


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