Many people in life....once they reach adulthood come to realise that 'objective truth is a hazy if almost redundant concept.

That is unless they are religious.....then all that stuff is sort of decided for them depending upon how literal they wish to take it.

But for those who aren't religious missing objective truth as a guiding light means each individual needs to deal with positioning themselves on morality questions....Finding where they exist on a spectrum for life's difficult questions.

Well, those of us who care to consider moral questions that is..... as we know a fair number of people just swan through life without thinking about much at all.

Anyway the morality positions we take and what we consider important will have a direct affect and bias how we interpret information.

I don't think there is a way around that.....there are 'facts' or 'statistics' and then there is interpretations of facts to fit an individual's worldview.

So really it's a battle of worldviews and what is realistic.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jul 2019 2.30pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Did they still own them after election to the Republican party and where did I say all dems had slaves.
I said they were the party of slavery as is true and 99% to virtual infinity and they still are.
Look at democrat cities.
No hope
No aspiration
Crap housing
Welfare dependents
Equality for all but all equally poor.

Yet all these people still vote Democrat.
Afraid of change which keeps you happy with your status quo because of no 1 ,2 and 4 above.

I think it shows how badly Trump's comments came across that we need to journey through the annals of time to move the topic on.

Trump would've never told a white American congresswoman holding the exact same views with ancestors from elsewhere to "go back to" their country. The comments were clearly racist. Intentionally so. A calculated gamble and no doubt part of his 2020 re-election strategy. Whereas the democrats reel off the myriad of races they hope will vote for them in numbers, Trump's strategy has always been to make non white Americans appear 'foreign' when needed. See birtherism.

Edited by dollardays (17 Jul 2019 1.47am)

I think he would if she pissed over the flag; which is an analogy of what these women did.
If you dont like what you have in life you try your hardest to change it. Not antagonise by ripping apart every shred then accepting everyone to back you up.

White people do come from other countries other than the UK and the us.
What if she was say Danish or swedish.

You asked where I got my information and who I trusted. I don't really trust any broadcast media which doesn't have any editorial control and just allows an individual to pontificate without being challenged. There's plenty available. You have found one you like but if I went that route I would have to use many.

I do use web forums of every stripe. I am a member, for instance, of several Trump groups who either support him or loath him. I have been banned from several too for daring to criticise him. These forums give plenty of insight into the way others think and why but they also allow those views to be challenged and dissected. I belong to groups that want to remain in the EU and some that wish to leave come what may.

So I don't agree that my use of the MSM means my information gathering is flawed at all. In fact I believe the attacks from the right both here and in the USA by Trump with his "enemy of the people" comments about the MSM to be really dangerous. Seeking to undermine our confidence in the MSM and threatening the freedom of the press are first steps towards state thought control and dictatorship. That to me is the biggest danger here. It appears it might have already worked with you. So I balance your encouragement to watch alternative sources with my own to reject this undermining of the free press, where there are lawyers and editors fact checking before publication. You can straighten the spin with your own intelligence, so long as you know what is reported hasn't just been invented.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.