Ok, a fair point.
At the end of 2008, the size of the US economy was $14.5 trillion. A decade later, the size of the economy is $19.7 trillion, 36% greater.
Over the same period the national debt has grown from $9.4 trillion to over $21 trillion-- a growth rate of 123%.

Sadly this massive increase in debt has not led to good economic growth, decent employment or an improved standard of living. Quite the opposite and it'll only get worse.

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I started this thread quite a while ago.

I said early in this thread that Trump won't be impeached over Russian links and we had a few lefty commentators insisting he would be.....actually they were as certain about it as any zealot.

Various tame insults were exchanged......Well, quite a while later and where are we with this impeachment Russia thing?

Nothing.....all the waffle coming from Muller is about other crap....essentially they are looking at Trump desperate to find anything. Trump is apparently not a subject of suspicion.....meaning that in all this time they had nothing meaningful related to Russia.

Remember all the reports....remember all the claims....All the insinuations.....All BS when it was seriously looked at.

Where are those lefty posters now?.....Well rather conveniently nowhere to be found.

It's all pathetic....pretty similar to what Obama was subjected to over a birth certificate.....amusingly partly by Trump himself.

Difference is the Democrats like to portray themselves as morally superior.

Their behaviour since Trump's election has long since put waste to that particular lie.

They aim low, we aim high my frigging foot.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Apr 2018 8.06am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

You are completely missing how American politics work. It does not matter how much dirt they have on him, the only people who can oust him are if the senate and the house impeach him, BOTH.

Currently both are republican controlled. It is unlikely the democrats will take back the house this November, but they might take back the senate. Either way, its unlikely we will see impeachment proceedings unless the republicans get to a point where they believe Trump is doing too much damage to the party image.

There is also the respect for the position of the presidency, other people have to fill the office after he is gone, and there has to be continued world respect for it. If Trump were to have all of his skeletons aired at once in public forcing republican hand to impeach him, the presidency loses something.

As to trumps affairs, who cares, its between him and his wife. The problem with this one though is the payment of the $130,000 and what it means for campaign contributions, and the reason it was paid. It could be construed as breaking campaign laws, according to my lawyer friend who understands the intricacies of said laws at least (i am totally confused by them).

A tweet from earlier today.....

Mr Meat
April 17 · 03:34:31 PM

As usual the abomination, the grotesque, that six foot pile of puss wearing a human suit is lying through its fat anus face. As reported by CNN:

“Only 13% of companies' tax cut savings will go to pay raises, bonuses and employee benefits, according to a survey of Morgan Stanley analysts released Thursday. 43% will go to investors in the form of stock buybacks and dividends, the analysts predict.

Many businesses have announced splashy tax cut gifts for their workers, including raises, better benefits and big one-time bonus checks. As of Monday, more than 300 companies have announced tax-cut-related bonuses and raises, benefiting 3.5 million U.S. workers, according to the White House. Yet that's a small fraction of the 125.5 million Americans who work for a company.”

Only 3.5 million of 125.5 million workers will get tax cut money from their employers. That’s .0278 percent of the workers. Wow, not even 3% of company employees are getting something from the hundreds of millions given away from our treasury. Also if you look at the roughly 30 million businesses in the US that 300 number is pathetic. So a massive 10% of businesses are giving some to their workers? Well, how magnanimous of them. And if you look at the split between manufacturing and service industry it gets worse. For manufacturing the labor compensation is only 8.9% of the tax cut savings while 46.7% goes to stock buybacks and dividends.

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Trump's tax changes......I'm not ideologically driven on them either way. I look at results not pre-decide. The way I view them is that this is the one large plank of Trump's campaign that he's managed to get through.

To that end I've always been a believer that a president should be allowed to get the main planks of their programme through as that is what they were elected on and should be judged on.

The America economy is doing well..... and I reject all the salty crap from Trump haters that this has nothing to do with him.

However it is still too soon to say whether Trump's tax changes will improve or damage the US economy. At the moment it looks like it's going to improve US investment into the economy, both in terms of jobs and in terms of stock markets.

It puts the democrats onto the back foot because essentially they will be running on a program of significantly raising taxes.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Democrat desperation.....and considering their history with the male Clinton total hypocrisy.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)