You do get real socialists of course.....but the hypocrisy from that ideological demographic is particularly strong because they base so much of their legitimacy on a sense of supposed morality......which usually when you actually look at the individual themselves is pretty hypocritical.

Well, I have criticisms of Trump like I have criticisms of all things, including myself. However, he's definitely more my type of politician than Clinton....and when I look at the Democratic party right now I'm looking at a collection of fruitcakes.

Let's look at both your main contentions.

Once again, I have to state the cast iron fact that nothing Trump does on the climate makes the slightest difference. All your comments on this area are wildly exaggerated.

Like I said, and will be proved correct on....it's technology or bust and the US are among the leaders on some exciting developments in taking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere.

And again, this notion that foreign governmental interference in the US elections was something new or note worthy is on one hand....massively exaggerated as to what effect if any it had....and on the second hand a complete hypocrisy. The west, including us and the US have been meddling in foreign elections for decades....Hell, that's one of the reasons Putin is pissed off (though Putin himself is of course a hyprocrite).

Hell, you are still hanging onto Russian collusion, and wrote several posts on here defending the idea that something will still come from that.....which is essentially a conspiracy theory at this point.

You need to admit to yourself that your dislike for Trump has interfered with your ability to rationalise what he does objectivity.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Apr 2019 8.43pm)

He represents everything they hate. They regard him as a symbol of the dysfunctional past whereas I regard their attitudes as far more dysfunctional and harmful than his.

Instinctively Trump gains a huge electional following that's clearly a counterpoint to his clearly quite unpleasant personality.....because people, both men and women know where they are with him. He is the beginning of a white male identitrian vote.....essentially because they have no one else to vote for.

Andrew Yang is quite interesting....even though he's a democrat he's clearly not a fruitcake nor a player of victim politics and has lots of interesting ideas on how to move ahead into the modern age.

In the short to mid term 5-10 years I see Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson making big moves in the GoP....because that's how politics moves in the modern age.....and maybe....god forbid Ben Shapiro.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Apr 2019 1.10pm)

She's as dim as a bag of spanners. You might think she's something but I've seen more impressive tea ladies.

I havent noticed many criticisms

Why do you guys keep bringing up the clintons. You see it on youtube, you see it on Fox, why are the clintons part of the Trump discussion time and again?

You believe nothing Trump does on climate will make a difference? You are dead wrong there, Stirlingsays.

Trump has tried to undermine the EPA and rollback effective Obama era efforts to fight climate change.

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Trump has decided to withdraw from the Paris Climate agreement.

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Trump thinks global warming is a hoax invented by the Chinese to attack the US manufacturing industry.

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Russian meddling in 2016 was widely considered the most effective and widespread campaign ever waged in terms of social media manipulation.