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Originally posted by johnno42000

Saw the 'send her back' rally with Trump. I wonder how long before it's 'send them back'? Echoes of a certain moustachioed German chap, and I don't mean Angela Merkel.

Do you have similar concerns for the whites in South Africa?.....because there are plenty of examples of 'send them back' over there.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Do you have similar concerns for the whites in South Africa?.....because there are plenty of examples of 'send them back' over there.

Absolutely. I think the attacks on the white farmers are terrible. To me fascism/racism can be a factor in white/black, black/white, white/white, black/black and all other peoples of the world. I abhor it whenever it happens.

Edited by johnno42000 (18 Jul 2019 10.45am)

 


'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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Originally posted by johnno42000

Saw the 'send her back' rally with Trump. I wonder how long before it's 'send them back'? Echoes of a certain moustachioed German chap, and I don't mean Angela Merkel.

Very unlikely, especially seeing as every American is an immigrant anyway. The point he very clumsily was trying to make was if these far-left Democrats hate the country so much as they say they do, then they should leave. As for the crowd chanting, it's just good banter. At previous rallies, they chant "CNN suck" then have selfies with Jim Acosta afterwards!

 

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'British ambassador to US called Bill Clinton's White House 'chaotic' and media-obsessed in confidential 1994 cable' [Link]

But I thought this only happens to Trump?

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Jul 19 11.42am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

You're going through such a maze to try to convince yourself that his comments were not due to the race of those involved that there's little point bothering.

Again, he would have never said what he did to white congresswomen holding the same views, therefore his comments were race based. You believe that it's fine for him to treat these women differently based on their race.

No race resembles the dangerous Tiger analogy. It's an exaggerated example that is telling of your distance to other races. To attempt to use your tiger analogy, which is difficult because paralleling a race and a species is ill fitting.. to me at least.. If your argument is that it's fine to be discriminate, even in identical situations, because you believe that people of certain ethnicity are a danger to you, then fine. That's an argument to say why you feel being racism is acceptable to you though, not that it isn't present.


Edited by dollardays (17 Jul 2019 9.52pm)

No, I'm playing your game.

The women concerned are using identity to push their agenda and then we have politically motivated outrage when Trump uses that against them.

Live by the sword...

As for tigers. When a policy of mass immigration creates increases violent crime, causes housing shortages. stresses on the NHS, pressures the environment, threatens national security, causes division, changes the political landscape to the detriment of the previously existing population, and threaten our very existence, then it is perfectly logical to say that you wish that many of these immigrants were not here.

Even other immigrants would say that.

I don't care if people like you want to brand it racist.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Jul 2019 11.43am)

 

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Originally posted by johnno42000

Absolutely. I think the attacks on the white farmers are terrible. To me fascism/racism can be a factor in white/black, black/white, white/white, black/black and all other peoples of the world. I abhor it whenever it happens.

Edited by johnno42000 (18 Jul 2019 10.45am)


Fair enough, I respect that.

However, while I think there will eventually be conflict in the US it's not soon and while I agree that what Trump said is unpresidential I can't see him ever calling to 'send them all back'. He's a civic nationalist, it isn't actually how he thinks.

He obviously wants to maintain a white majority as that's how the republicans would stay in power.....but he isn't really achieving much to that end.

What he's doing is all about the 2020 election.....part 'read meat' to his base and part trying to sort out border control.

Yeah, good luck with that one Donald.....So failing that he's keeping the 'immigration question high in the media.

Like most politicians, first and foremost, Trump is about Trump and so it's about re-election and the 'don't knows' white vote.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2019 12.04pm)

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Fair enough, I respect that.

However, while I think there will eventually be conflict in the US it's not soon and while I agree that what Trump said is unpresidential I can't see him ever calling to 'send them all back'. He's a civic nationalist, it isn't actually how he thinks.

He obviously wants to maintain a white majority as that's how the republicans would stay in power.....but he isn't really achieving much to that end.

What he's doing is all about the 2020 election.....part 'read meat' to his base and part trying to sort out border control.

Yeah, good luck with that one Donald.....So failing that he's keeping the 'immigration question high in the media.

Like most politicians, first and foremost, Trump is about Trump and so it's about re-election and the 'don't knows' white vote.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2019 12.04pm)

I agree that I don't think he will say to 'send them back' but I do worry that some of his more red neck supporters may see it that way and, as arms seem to be very available, this worries me.

Edited by johnno42000 (18 Jul 2019 12.36pm)

 


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Originally posted by johnno42000

I agree that I don't think he will say to 'send them back' but I do worry that some of his more red neck supporters may see it that way and, as arms seem to be very available, this worries me.

Edited by johnno42000 (18 Jul 2019 12.36pm)


Well, we have just had a terrorist attack on ICE the border police.....and many well known Democrats and organizations like CNN and co have been demonising that organisation for quite a while.

So really....for me we can't put our politicians in verbal strait jackets on who and what they can criticise.

However, incitement to violence has always been prohibited and should remain so.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2019 1.10pm)

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No, I'm playing your game.

The women concerned are using identity to push their agenda and then we have politically motivated outrage when Trump uses that against them.

Live by the sword...

As for tigers. When a policy of mass immigration creates increases violent crime, causes housing shortages. stresses on the NHS, pressures the environment, threatens national security, causes division, changes the political landscape to the detriment of the previously existing population, and threaten our very existence, then it is perfectly logical to say that you wish that many of these immigrants were not here.

Even other immigrants would say that.

I don't care if people like you want to brand it racist.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Jul 2019 11.43am)

While I very much appreciate that you crassly throw "people like you" around especially on race related issues (when someone highlights a racist statement, you go straight to whining about how minorities drag the country down) , I happened to offer a critique of both Trump's words as an individual, as well as the idea of some democrats racist whinings about white privilage.


Quote Dollardays - It's clearly a racist statement, but not some off the cuff mistake. He wants to frame these women as being the totality of what the democrat party is. As a strategy it's unfortunate but may well work. It's also worth adding that the view held by some Dems that if you're white, you're ultra privileged by default is also racist. If you're poor and struggling with a sh!t job, with zero opportunities, being told how dreamy and easy your life has been, clearly does not reflect who you are in any real sense. Polarised parties seek to simplify the lives of those whose votes they probably won't get anyway, while paying lip service to those that will. He does it, they do it. In neither case does it particularly help anyone or anything, but right now that's the game.


It's possible to hold two thoughts in your head at the same time and critiques across the board. I voted for Brexit and am against mass immigration, so stop reading from your script. It's possible to believe that Trumps racist babblings are unfortunate and also hold to the idea that we're not obliged to have a wide open door. It's not all about riling yourself up over the latest ethnic minority cast show on TV. It's a discussion forum not a comfort blanket. You keep your 'people like you' and your one eyed approach I'll just comment on the issues.


Also, while we see a conjuring up of an ever growing list of requirements that would deem his comment racist, when Trump stands on a podium slowly reeling off these 'foreign' sounding names leaving room for boos and chants about sending people back, nothing about that is criticised. When he calls these four women all 'hate filled extremists' who 'hate their country' there is no forensic approach to whether this frankly dangerous language is an accurate description of them all. Obviously it isn't.

Trump at least has the very best security. They don't. At a time like this, with rhetoric like this, and excuses like those we see here, that is very concerning. I spoke out here, just as I spoke out in the Andy Ngo ANTIFA thread. I'm not particularity excited about the prospect of any politician or journalist left or right getting a bullet to the head and so comment whenever I see ramping up that I feel ultimately makes that outcome more likely rather than exclusively preening my own prejudices. He's free to say what he wants, and I'll give a view of it.


Edited by dollardays (18 Jul 2019 5.26pm)

 

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Originally posted by dollardays


It's possible to hold two thoughts in your head at the same time and critiques across the board. I voted for Brexit and am against mass immigration, so stop reading from your script. It's possible to believe that Trumps racist babblings are unfortunate and also hold to the idea that we're not obliged to have a wide open door. It's not all about riling yourself up over the latest ethnic minority cast show on TV. It's a discussion forum not a comfort blanket. You keep your 'people like you' and your one eyed approach I'll just comment on the issues.


Also, while we see a conjuring up of an ever growing list of requirements that would deem his comment racist, when Trump stands on a podium slowly reeling off these 'foreign' sounding names leaving room for boos and chants about sending people back, nothing about that is criticised. When he calls these four women all 'hate filled extremists' who 'hate their country' there is no forensic approach to whether this frankly dangerous language is an accurate description of them all. Obviously it isn't.

Trump at least has the very best security. They don't. At a time like this, with rhetoric like this, and excuses like those we see here, that is very concerning. I spoke out here, just as I spoke out in the Andy Ngo ANTIFA thread. I'm not particularity excited about the prospect of any politician or journalist left or right getting a bullet to the head and so comment whenever I see ramping up that I feel ultimately makes that outcome more likely rather than exclusively preening my own prejudices. He's free to say what he wants, and I'll give a view of it.


Edited by dollardays (18 Jul 2019 5.26pm)

I am standing up for my 'race' and my way of life.
There are now many who wish to destroy that for their own ends.

I find the whole question of what is 'racist' and what is not, increasingly tedious and unimportant.

All the time organisations and individuals use identity to press agendas, there will be an opposite response. Trump was elected as a push back to the erosion of Western society by those who are induced by globalists and their identity driven puppets to destroy the status quo.
The simple fact is that 99% of people living in Britain or the US are better off per capita than all but the very richest. They use most of the world's resources per capita and live relatively comfortable lives.
Some are still not happy with being in that number because they are at the bottom of it. At the same time, an increasing number from abroad see how we live and want some of it. This will ultimately dilute what we in the West have and that process will accelerate rapidly over the coming decades.

Meanwhile, you want to argue about what Trump said.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger



I am standing up for my 'race' and my way of life.

There are now many who wish to destroy that for their own ends.

I find the whole question of what is 'racist' and what is not, increasingly tedious and unimportant.

Well yes, you would see it that way wouldn't you.

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All the time organisations and individuals use identity to press agendas, there will be an opposite response. Trump was elected as a push back to the erosion of Western society by those who are induced by globalists and their identity driven puppets to destroy the status quo.
The simple fact is that 99% of people living in Britain or the US are better off per capita than all but the very richest. They use most of the world's resources per capita and live relatively comfortable lives.
Some are still not happy with being in that number because they are at the bottom of it. At the same time, an increasing number from abroad see how we live and want some of it. This will ultimately dilute what we in the West have and that process will accelerate rapidly over the coming decades.

Meanwhile, you want to argue about what Trump said.

None of this has anything to do with my point of view or what I said. I was commenting on a particular comment I view as racist, and also pointing out where I've done exactly the same in the opposite direction with democrats and 'white privilege' views on multiple occasions. Funnily enough you won't be practically haunting me about why I want to argue about that one will you. Or holding Trump's 'four extremists' words at these women to account will you? Primarily because you don't care less about that. But God forbid I have a view of Trumps words. That simply can't be allowed can it and we must talk about something else.

There isn't a one direction free for all based on your dislike of certain skin tones. I'll treat people fairly regardless of their race thanks.


Edited by dollardays (18 Jul 2019 6.34pm)

 

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Originally posted by dollardays

I'll treat people fairly regardless of their race thanks.


'Fairly'....Mmmmm....So why are you interested in an immigration policy which is practically the same as Japan's?

Which is, as we know, designed specifically to keep the Japanese biologically Japanese.....which means they have to have a preference for their race in terms of immigration.

So what is the point in having a immigration policy that is similar?


Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2019 6.39pm)

 

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