"Overly emotional female MPs"?

Those ladies were quite obviously really frightened and completely sincere. If you think they were acting for the camera then I don't.

The general population includes many millions who don't agree with either you or this government and fear the implications of a no deal Brexit. Some fear a Brexit of any sort, but most will accept it so long as it is done with care and causes the least possible harm.

You seem to think you speak for everyone. Just because you have support here means very little in the bigger picture.

What has antifa got to do with what happened in the House?

Whataboutery taken to extremes?

Rhetoric has an effect.
I was balancing the scales.
Not whataboutary just facts.

Why the question mark?

Its surely obvious. Because it isn't real.

Kids often get really frightened because they think there is a monster under the bed or something out there in the dark.

Of course they do but where is the connection? These ladies are scared of something very real. One of their colleagues was murdered and they have been threatened themselves. They aren't seeing bogeymen. They are terrified that what is being said could cause them or their families serious harm. why can't you treat this seriously? This is too important for political tribalism.

If MP's can't keep a lid on their emotions maybe they shouldn't be in a position of power or importance? Actually that's not even a rhetorical question. They shouldn't.

They are MPs trying to do their jobs. It has nothing at all with their emotions being kept under control. It has only to do with the government, and in particular the PM, acting with restraint and responsibility.

The general population has a majority of people who agree with me. What if we had voted to stay in the EU? Would myself being scared about the implications have counted for anything? Being scared in itself is not a reason or an argument. A large percentage of people in this country are scared of spiders FFS.

You don't speak for the general population! Being scared of the implications of remaining in the EU, or of spiders, are ridiculous comparisons to the very real fear these ladies feel for their own lives and those of their families.

Nobody remotely normal agrees that MP's should be attacked unless they are just extreme nutters. They exist on all sides. Yet they attack Cummins for pointing out that it's going to make people angry that their vote is ignored. People are already angy and will only get angrier and there is only one solution.

People attack Cummins because they believe he is behind the strategy now being employed by the government and they don't like either the style or the direction. I don't either. I think it is taking our country towards a place we really don't want to end up in. Running a government by using marketing techniques and tactics learned directy from Trump is not in our best interests.

Edited by W12 (27 Sep 2019 7.04pm)

It's clear from the transcript that Trump was trying to strong-arm him, and the Whitehouse unexpectedly withholding aid at that time was very likely part of that process. We could call that realpolitik, but I do think it's important to separate 'picking sides' with appreciating what is both logical and likely in the current political environment and with this President.

Where I do agree, is that absolutely nothing, regardless of its merits, or lack of, can remove Trump, because it won't get support in the Senate. The ballot box is where this will all be decided and the shape of the economy at the time will tip the balance one way or the other, rather than the disregard of understood electoral norms.

Edited by dollardays (27 Sep 2019 10.10pm)

I agree with your first sentence, but with the groups reversed. This really ought not though be discussed in too much depth in this thread.

True democracy in the UK resides solely in Parliament. Those that understand that understand that the result of any referendum does not change that fact.

The issue is not, and has never been, the referendum result itself. The issue has always been the undertakings made to respect and implement the result. Undertakings which can be interpreted and amended by Parliament as they see fit.