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 tome  Inner Tantalus Time. 03 Nov 17 6.43pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Appreciate that Stuk! However, this story is not on the BBC UK News home page [Link] or its YouTube page [Link] and buried as story No.9 on BBC.com news [Link] OK, the BBC cannot ignore the story as that would be TOO obvious, but they can certainly hide it. I'm very certain that it would have featured more prominently had it been Trump and/or the Republican party. Edited by Penge Eagle (03 Nov 2017 5.55pm) With reference to the last point, don't you think that's just the case because Trump is in power? Therefore it seems to me that everything he does, has done or says he'll do is of an order of magnitude more important.
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legaleagle  03 Nov 17 6.47pm |
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Agreed,and that Clinton is now (unlike Trump) a politician from the (albeit recent) past rather than current
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| Stuk Top half 03 Nov 17 7.40pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Appreciate that Stuk! However, this story is not on the BBC UK News home page [Link] or its YouTube page [Link] and buried as story No.9 on BBC.com news [Link] OK, the BBC cannot ignore the story as that would be TOO obvious, but they can certainly hide it. I'm very certain that it would have featured more prominently had it been Trump and/or the Republican party. Edited by Penge Eagle (03 Nov 2017 5.55pm) You've got to remember that by the time you see the homepage it's vastly changed from this morning's. 8 or 9 hours later everything but the headline stories have been shunted back.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 03 Nov 17 8.57pm |
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Originally posted by tome
With reference to the last point, don't you think that's just the case because Trump is in power? Therefore it seems to me that everything he does, has done or says he'll do is of an order of magnitude more important. You can go big on what Trump says and does and STILL go big on Hillary who is a huge political character in world politics. She has been in politics for many, many years as First Lady and Secretary of State for the world's superpower. And if there's any corruption or alleged criminal activity from her or the DNC then it's the UK media's job to report it because of her position, whether she is the president or not. It's selective reporting otherwise. Imagine if it was the other way around? The BBC would have been all over it if Trump was seen to have rigged his nomination. When deciding the running order of stories, you ask yourself: 'What is the biggest story of the day?' Trump would have to do something pretty important to have superseded this latest Hillary story to make it a bigger priority. I don't think he did today. People who followed the campaign knew Hilary rigged it against Bernie. She had had so many failures, the list is endless, yet the average Joe in Britain had no idea of this and was shocked Trump won. The reason Trump is in power is mostly down to Hillary being a horrible, corrupt person, yet people in the UK are oblivious. I'd like to think I have a decent grasp on current affairs but I wasn't aware of half the s*** she has done. Edited by Penge Eagle (03 Nov 2017 9.07pm)
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| tome Inner Tantalus Time. 03 Nov 17 9.06pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
You can go big on what Trump says and does and STILL go big on Hillary who is a huge political character in world politics. She has been in politics for many, many years as First Lady and Secretary of State for the world's superpower. And if there's any corruption or alleged criminal activity from her or the DNC then it's the UK media's job to report it because of her position, whether she is the president or not. It's selective reporting otherwise. Imagine if it was the other way around? The BBC would have been all over it if Trump was seen to have rigged his nomination. People who followed the campaign knew Hilary rigged it against Bernie. She had had so many failures, the list is endless, yet the average Joe in Britain had no idea of this and was shocked Trump won. The reason Trump is in power is mostly down to Hillary being a horrible, corrupt person, yet people in the UK are oblivious. I know I wasn't aware of half the s*** she has done. It really is amazing how she is not in jail. Wouldn't it be primarily the US media's job to report it rather than the UK's? I would imaigine if she won and things came out that it would be reported on the scale Trump is now - if Trump had lost I doubt many would care much as he'd be yesterday's man. I wondered before whether you had read the book Flat Earth News - gives a pretty worrying view of journalism that might explain some of the things you complain about. As you're a journalist yourself, wondered if you'd read it and whether it aligns with your experience?
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 03 Nov 17 9.21pm |
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Originally posted by tome
Wouldn't it be primarily the US media's job to report it rather than the UK's? I would imaigine if she won and things came out that it would be reported on the scale Trump is now - if Trump had lost I doubt many would care much as he'd be yesterday's man. I wondered before whether you had read the book Flat Earth News - gives a pretty worrying view of journalism that might explain some of the things you complain about. As you're a journalist yourself, wondered if you'd read it and whether it aligns with your experience? The UK media has decided – rightly or wrongly – to give a helluva lot of air time to US politics. And even in the pre-election coverage, there was no negative items on Hillary. OK, you say, it might be their job to cover the President only. But it's virtually always negative. For example, the tax changes he is proposing this week are broadly pretty good! Is that reported on the BBC in a fair way? I wondered why Trump pulled out of the Paris Accord because the BBC and Sky's report made me think, 'What an arsehole'. Then I did my own research and I totally get why he did it. I had to take the time to investigate further but most people won't. I've not read that book but will take a look! I actually find it really troubling the role the US media plays in dividing the people here. It's highly unethical and immoral. Living in the UK, I was under the impression that Fox News was a fringe channel with wackos but CNN and MSNBC are equally as bad. The pundits and anchors act in a highly irresponsible way and this constant shouting... Edited by Penge Eagle (03 Nov 2017 9.23pm)
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| tome Inner Tantalus Time. 03 Nov 17 9.27pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
The UK media has decided – rightly or wrongly – to give a helluva lot of air time to US politics. And even in the pre-election coverage, there was no negative items on Hillary. OK, you say, it might be their job to cover the President only. But it's virtually always negative. For example, the tax changes he is proposing this week are broadly pretty good! Is that reported on the BBC in a fair way? I wondered why Trump pulled out of the Paris Accord because the BBC and Sky's report made me think, 'What an arsehole'. Then I did my own research and I totally get why he did it. I had to take the time to investigate further but most people won't. I've not read that book but will take a look! I actually find it really troubling the role the US media plays in dividing the people here. It's highly unethical and immoral. Living in the UK, I was under the impression that Fox News was a fringe channel with wackos but CNN and MSNBC are equally as bad. The pundits and anchors act in a highly irresponsible way and this constant shouting... Edited by Penge Eagle (03 Nov 2017 9.23pm) Yeah, one of the problems that certainly seems to be the case is that the politicians and the media (of either side) are quite chummy and close. The elites, as someone described them. Trump is an outlier in that he's not really been a member of that particular club - he's not a typical Republican any more than he's a typical President. Maybe that has something to do with it too?
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 03 Nov 17 9.37pm |
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Originally posted by tome
Yeah, one of the problems that certainly seems to be the case is that the politicians and the media (of either side) are quite chummy and close. The elites, as someone described them. Trump is an outlier in that he's not really been a member of that particular club - he's not a typical Republican any more than he's a typical President. Maybe that has something to do with it too? It's frustrating because the broadcast media is part of the elite – that's not supposed to be how it works! They are all broadly pro-EU, anti Russia, anti Israel. At least there is more diversity of opinion with the UK newspapers. Sure, Trump is a maverick but I like the way he has called out CNN for being fake news and they are! The way CNN has covered Bernie Sanders has been awful too..
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 06 Nov 17 9.27pm |
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The media's narrative is to make out Trump is a clown and therefore unfit for office. So if they can grab any chance to do this, they will snatch at it. Trump is in Japan with its prime minister and carrying out an age old tradition of feeding koi carp in a pond. The media reported that while the Japanese PM spoon fed the food into the pond, Trump lost patience and just chucked the whole box in and possibly harming the fish. They conveniently ignored to report that the Japanese PM did exactly the same just seconds before but cut the video footage showing this. The Independent [Link] The Metro [Link] Daily Express [Link] The Guardian had to edit its story afterwards (see correction at bottom of page) [Link] ITN News [Link] The Telegraph did the clever trick of covering their tracks by mentioning Trump followed the PM's lead in the middle of the piece after going anti-Trump on the headline and imagery, maybe inserting it subtlety after noticing their error [Link] Fake News Kings CNN did the same thing [Link] Hurrah! The Daily Mail reported the story correctly. However, I have a feeling they updated it after finding out the truth (there is an edit time at the top but no clarification par which the Guardian tends to do). [Link] How many of you read or watched this fake news? Edited by Penge Eagle (06 Nov 2017 9.37pm)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Nov 17 9.39pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
The media's narrative is to make out Trump is a clown and therefore unfit for office. So if they can grab any chance to do this, they will snatch at it. Sounds like pretty accurate reporting to me.
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Ray in Houston  Houston 06 Nov 17 9.39pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
How many of you read or watched this fake news? I saw it, and saw the context of Abe encouraging Trump to do it, so I ignored it. Meanwhile, Trump did say out loud at a press conference that he had no idea there were so many countries before he became President; he congratulated Japan on having a big economy - but one not as big as his; and he asked them to make cars in the US rather than shipping them there (apparently unaware that 75% of Japanese cars sold in the US are already built in the US). The koi pond nonsense was fake news. There's plenty of actual Trumpfoolery to go around, though.
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| Ray in Houston Houston 06 Nov 17 9.48pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
I saw it, and saw the context of Abe encouraging Trump to do it, so I ignored it. Meanwhile, Trump did say out loud at a press conference that he had no idea there were so many countries before he became President; he congratulated Japan on having a big economy - but one not as big as his; and he asked them to make cars in the US rather than shipping them there (apparently unaware that 75% of Japanese cars sold in the US are already built in the US).
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