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BlueJay Flag UK 07 Jun 20 4.38pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Do lives saved by police not count as a positive.
Im not cancelling out deaths bit I think more people are still on this planet because of the police and their work than are not on this planet because of their failures, due to whatever reason.

A thoughtful perspective. People extrapolating horrendous instances of policing, convince themselves that's all there is. I'm not saying that there aren't terrible incidents, some with racial aspects, others without - let's not forget that there have been George Floyd type police incidents that have happened to white people too - but there are countless police in the profession for exactly the right reasons. They put themselves in harms way and, as you say, save lives.

This incident came at an unfortunate time, as it was shortly after the black guy out jogging was gunned down. More a spark once again lit a fire, than specifically about George Floyd and the event politically taking centre stage is unfortunately not particularly bad news for democrats (rally the base) or republicans (switch attention from pandemic hysteria). We see people on both the left and right reacting very angrily to selective footage that matches their world view. Social media a powerful medium and can be used to disproportionately influence peoples thinking, further warping their perspectives. But I don't see that changing anytime soon.


Edited by BlueJay (07 Jun 2020 4.39pm)

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Online Flag The garden of England 07 Jun 20 4.50pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

A thoughtful perspective. People extrapolating horrendous instances of policing, convince themselves that's all there is. I'm not saying that there aren't terrible incidents, some with racial aspects, others without - let's not forget that there have been George Floyd type police incidents that have happened to white people too - but there are countless police in the profession for exactly the right reasons. They put themselves in harms way and, as you say, save lives.

This incident came at an unfortunate time, as it was shortly after the black guy out jogging was gunned down. More a spark once again lit a fire, than specifically about George Floyd and the event politically taking centre stage is unfortunately not particularly bad news for democrats (rally the base) or republicans (switch attention from pandemic hysteria). We see people on both the left and right reacting very angrily to selective footage that matches their world view. Social media a powerful medium and can be used to disproportionately influence peoples thinking, further warping their perspectives. But I don't see that changing anytime soon.


Edited by BlueJay (07 Jun 2020 4.39pm)

non violent,non destructive protests are well on my radar as a ok. When people are being bashed and property smashed and robbed as is shown in the media, that is what influences my feelings to be more negative and angry. They have pulled down a statue in Bristol. This man, made bristol for all those peoples forfathers. Its history. Why will getting rid do any good. That statue wasnt like Stonehenge. People didnt go and bend down in front of it with white peaked hats,a rope and burning sticks. Idiots. Now the council will spend thousands repairing the damage at cost to them all.

 

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View gazzerp's Profile gazzerp Flag Waterford, Maine (grew up in SE23) 07 Jun 20 4.57pm Send a Private Message to gazzerp Add gazzerp as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I believe that it was in mid-April, that 'The Donald' predicted a rapid economic recovery but this was totally discounted by the economists.
I have perused that the jobs report for May showed a RECORD 2.5 million jobs were added.

In relation to air travel, the share price of 'American Airlines' has risen by 41% and their predictions of future travel are at variance with those predicting a bleak future.

I don't have a proclivity to engage in political debates, indeed I seldom peruse any posts on account of the fact that I have a somewhat busy political life outside of HOL and my 'Raison d'etre' for joining HOL was solely to engage with debate and badinage with fellow supporters.Back to the football threads!!!!

Edited by Willo (06 Jun 2020 10.39am)

Easily explained. Yet another Trump claim that lacks substance...
"The biggest payroll surprise in history, by a gigantic margin, likely is due to a wave of hidden rehiring."

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 07 Jun 20 4.58pm

Originally posted by cryrst

non violent,non destructive protests are well on my radar as a ok. When people are being bashed and property smashed and robbed as is shown in the media, that is what influences my feelings to be more negative and angry. They have pulled down a statue in Bristol. This man, made bristol for all those peoples forfathers. Its history. Why will getting rid do any good. That statue wasnt like Stonehenge. People didnt go and bend down in front of it with white peaked hats,a rope and burning sticks. Idiots. Now the council will spend thousands repairing the damage at cost to them all.

It's important to state that most UK protests went by without a single arrest. Birmingham, for instance. No violence or disorder amongst many thousands of peaceful protesters.

Criminal elements of any protests should be held to account. As I've said before, you were the only person who stated a single concern about looting and countless police injured in the France riots. Wrong demographic to get peoples backs up. But respect to you for applying the same standard across the board.

Any destruction, or looting, or harm, either to bystanders, police or peaceful protesters is unfortunate. Protests aren't picnics and can sometimes attract elements out only to cause damage or harm. Lock them up.


Edited by BlueJay (07 Jun 2020 4.59pm)

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

It's important to state that most UK protests went by without a single arrest. Birmingham, for instance. No violence or disorder amongst many thousands of peaceful protesters.

Criminal elements of any protests should be held to account. As I've said before, you were the only person who stated a single concern about looting and countless police injured in the France riots. Wrong demographic to get peoples backs up. But respect to you for applying the same standard across the board.

Any destruction, or looting, or harm, either to bystanders, police or peaceful protesters is unfortunate. Protests aren't picnics and can sometimes attract elements out only to cause damage or harm. Lock them up.


Edited by BlueJay (07 Jun 2020 4.59pm)

Perhaps because the police have decided not to arrest people for fear of escalation.

Monuments have been defaced in London whilst in Bristol the "protestors" have pulled down a statue they didn't like. That is not peaceful protest it's criminal damage. Don't like a statue then there are legal ways of having it removed.

 


One more point

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BlueJay Flag UK 07 Jun 20 6.34pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Perhaps because the police have decided not to arrest people for fear of escalation.

Monuments have been defaced in London whilst in Bristol the "protestors" have pulled down a statue they didn't like. That is not peaceful protest it's criminal damage. Don't like a statue then there are legal ways of having it removed.

Some of the protests were peaceful, and went by without event. No graffiti, no violence, no nothing. We don't need to project violence upon people where it isn't present. Others however were not and the violent and disruptive elements should've be dealt with. Where they are not, that is definitely a demonstration of weak policing.


Edited by BlueJay (07 Jun 2020 7.32pm)

 

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 07 Jun 20 8.22pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Some of the protests were peaceful, and went by without event. No graffiti, no violence, no nothing. We don't need to project violence upon people where it isn't present. Others however were not and the violent and disruptive elements should've be dealt with. Where they are not, that is definitely a demonstration of weak policing.


Edited by BlueJay (07 Jun 2020 7.32pm)

Indeed. However, "white privilege" and racism is projected onto all white people, regardless of presence. Plenty of evidence of single parent white children being neglected and abused. No privilege there.

Note that a common theme of underprivileged young people is absence of a father.

 


Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 07 Jun 20 9.03pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I guess when the US economy starts doing well again that the left will start giving Obama the credit for it again.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 07 Jun 20 9.31pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I guess when the US economy starts doing well again that the left will start giving Obama the credit for it again.

There's no doubt he's happened upon a strategy that boosts shares, at least – i.e. deregulate and cut taxes (not exactly rocket science) but I suppose the question is, to what end? Re-election and letting someone else pick up the pieces when the whole thing collapses again and people find out they've been played once more to the benefit of big business, and more specifically, some of Trumps own big businesses.

Obama is held up as a deity of the left but people forget that he is just as complicit in the continuation of the economic shambles that was 2008 – rehired all the same people that were the very architects of the financial crash and failed to grasp the opportunity of regulation and actually making the ratings agencies accountable... I'm in danger of sounding like a rational version of a certain someone

Anyway, back to Trump and credit. As I've said before he played the China trade issue well but I really wouldn't give him too much credit over the economy (not saying Obama should be given it, mind). Anyone can do what he's done and create a spike in the corporate economy. It's the real economy that people should be looking at, and who/how much banditry he's prepared to engage in to get re-elected before he passes on the hot potato

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 07 Jun 20 9.49pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

There's no doubt he's happened upon a strategy that boosts shares, at least – i.e. deregulate and cut taxes (not exactly rocket science) but I suppose the question is, to what end? Re-election and letting someone else pick up the pieces when the whole thing collapses again and people find out they've been played once more to the benefit of big business, and more specifically, some of Trumps own big businesses.

Obama is held up as a deity of the left but people forget that he is just as complicit in the continuation of the economic shambles that was 2008 – rehired all the same people that were the very architects of the financial crash and failed to grasp the opportunity of regulation and actually making the ratings agencies accountable... I'm in danger of sounding like a rational version of a certain someone

Anyway, back to Trump and credit. As I've said before he played the China trade issue well but I really wouldn't give him too much credit over the economy (not saying Obama should be given it, mind). Anyone can do what he's done and create a spike in the corporate economy. It's the real economy that people should be looking at, and who/how much banditry he's prepared to engage in to get re-elected before he passes on the hot potato

I'm currently much too drunk to give an intelligent post like this proper justice.


 


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Just seen part of our history being torn down in Bristol, ok, most of us have never heard of him, but it is our history. What next, Winston Churchill and Queens Victoria's statues being torn down.

This has overstepped the mark, and the black community will loose any sympathy we had for them.

Perhaps we should replace the statue in Bristol with one of Donald Trump.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 07 Jun 20 10.39pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm currently much too drunk to give an intelligent post like this proper justice.


On a Sunday? My, how standards have fallen since we all decided we may well die.

 

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