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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 27 Jun 21 11.15am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Scary stuff and the left will ok it.
Let's hope they remember that there will be no one to help when they come for them!

Yeah but...orange man bad.

It's all very Maoist.

 


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Trump joins Rumble.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Trump joins Rumble.

Who? What? You should probably move on from that irrelevance now. He’s not coming back.

 

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Originally posted by DanH

Who? What? You should probably move on from that irrelevance now. He’s not coming back.

You've never really understood my position on Trump, but that's ok I guess.

I don't want to type that up because it would take too long but in short he's a mixed bag.....but that still makes him better than the GOP in representing conservatism.

I have to smile at your idea that he's irrelevant though as he's certainly more interesting and effective than Biden and still the most popular figure on the right.....but I think he'd be too past it. I actually care about that, unlike you lot with Mr Mumbles.

I certainly wouldn't want a 2024 bid, however there are serious unresolved issues on the power of tech industries that the Democrats have unethically ignored like the silencing of a sitting president......No one voted for these companies to have that power and it certainly wasn't envisaged when they were set up when they were given state incentives and advantages.

So I'm happy to see him back with a proper media capacity....though like I say, in terms of the right wing, Trump failed in office and his last two years were embarrassing.

But he was no soy authoritarian destroying the economy like Biden is.

And having the Democrats in power has significantly raised the risk of wars around the globe.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2021 1.03pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You've never really understood my position on Trump, but that's ok I guess.

I don't want to type that up because it would take too long but in short he's a mixed bag.....but that still makes him better than the GOP in representing conservatism.

I have to smile at your idea that he's irrelevant though as he's certainly more interesting and effective than Biden and still the most popular figure on the right.....but I think he'd be too past it. I actually care about that, unlike you lot with Mr Mumbles.

I certainly wouldn't want a 2024 bid, however there are serious unresolved issues on the power of tech industries that the Democrats have unethically ignored like the silencing of a sitting president......No one voted for these companies to have that power and it certainly wasn't envisaged when they were set up when they were given state incentives and advantages.

So I'm happy to see him back with a proper media capacity....though like I say, in terms of the right wing, Trump failed in office and his last two years were embarrassing.

But he was no soy authoritarian destroying the economy like Biden is.

And having the Democrats in power has significantly raised the risk of wars around the globe.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2021 1.03pm)

As some might have noticed I am taking a break from this place for a while as, having recently moved home, I am just too busy at the moment. I dip in from time to time and find the same old prejudices are still alive. In this part of the universe anyway.

So I won't bother countering all the spurious arguments in the above. Those with any kind of common sense will recognise their frailty anyway, whilst others won't.

There is one though that is so nonsensical it demands pointing out less it becomes an accepted "alternative fact" in the minds of the unrighteous.

The idea that the tech industries "have unethically silenced a sitting president" is simply untrue. Trump wasn't silenced. No US President could be silenced. They always have ways to reach out to the people, either directly through addresses or announcements, or indirectly through spokespeople.

What Trump tried to do, initially with great success, was to harness the power of the new media to bypass the traditional media, its journalistic scrutiny and criticism, and speak directly to the people. This gave him the opportunity to portray events, and himself, exactly as he wished to. When fact checking revealed that much of what he said was untrue, the danger of this became only too obvious. History teaches us that an authoritarian leader seeks to control the message by controlling the way it is delivered. Constantly describing the traditional media as "fake news" was all part of this effort.

The tech industries were in a bind. As commercial businesses Trump was gold dust for them but eventually their need to maintain their reputation for ensuring tainted content gets removed overcame the commercial benefit. To the great relief of many who, like me, treasure the existence of a free press. Trump, his views and his supporters still have outlets they can use. Some though have chosen, as is their right, to remove him. Not silenced at all. Just channelled.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Jun 21 11.00am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As some might have noticed I am taking a break from this place for a while as, having recently moved home, I am just too busy at the moment. I dip in from time to time and find the same old prejudices are still alive. In this part of the universe anyway.

So I won't bother countering all the spurious arguments in the above. Those with any kind of common sense will recognise their frailty anyway, whilst others won't.

There is one though that is so nonsensical it demands pointing out less it becomes an accepted "alternative fact" in the minds of the unrighteous.

The idea that the tech industries "have unethically silenced a sitting president" is simply untrue. Trump wasn't silenced. No US President could be silenced. They always have ways to reach out to the people, either directly through addresses or announcements, or indirectly through spokespeople.

What Trump tried to do, initially with great success, was to harness the power of the new media to bypass the traditional media, its journalistic scrutiny and criticism, and speak directly to the people. This gave him the opportunity to portray events, and himself, exactly as he wished to. When fact checking revealed that much of what he said was untrue, the danger of this became only too obvious. History teaches us that an authoritarian leader seeks to control the message by controlling the way it is delivered. Constantly describing the traditional media as "fake news" was all part of this effort.

The tech industries were in a bind. As commercial businesses Trump was gold dust for them but eventually their need to maintain their reputation for ensuring tainted content gets removed overcame the commercial benefit. To the great relief of many who, like me, treasure the existence of a free press. Trump, his views and his supporters still have outlets they can use. Some though have chosen, as is their right, to remove him. Not silenced at all. Just channelled.

Glad your move finally happened - hope it wasn’t too stressful.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 28 Jun 21 3.18pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

We used to live in constant fear of Trump deporting our Latina mother-in-law.

But just in case, her address is 324 3rd Street Los Angeles.

And she gets in at 6.....

 

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View Lombardinho's Profile Lombardinho Flag London 28 Jun 21 5.01pm Send a Private Message to Lombardinho Add Lombardinho as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Who? What? You should probably move on from that irrelevance now. He’s not coming back.

He never left.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 28 Jun 21 5.32pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Lombardinho

He never left.

It's OK. He's with the Lizard people now. They'll take good care of him.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 28 Jun 21 6.12pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Anyone suggesting that removing the president from his main communication mode wasn't serious is simply dishonest.

I repeat, silencing the President was an abuse of power and this kind of power was never intended when they were given state advantages at the beginning.

A monopoly has been allowed to develop in the social media industry, which is akin to a conspiratorial cartel of similar political interests working in concert. No one voted to give these companies the level of power they have in modern society.

The left in America have no ethics at all and won't deal with this because it suits them. They are as bad as the capitalists they use to complain about and no one objective should be under any sort of illusion over the inevitable decay a united America is experiencing.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jun 2021 6.14pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Anyone suggesting that removing the president from his main communication mode wasn't serious is simply dishonest.

I repeat, silencing the President was an abuse of power and this kind of power was never intended when they were given state advantages at the beginning.

A monopoly has been allowed to develop in the social media industry, which is akin to a conspiratorial cartel of similar political interests working in concert. No one voted to give these companies the level of power they have in modern society.

The left in America have no ethics at all and won't deal with this because it suits them. They are as bad as the capitalists they use to complain about and no one objective should be under any sort of illusion over the inevitable decay a united America is experiencing.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jun 2021 6.14pm)

When anyone, President or not, is abusing a platform to spread misinformation, then it is the duty of that platform to take action. No-one has the right to use any social media platform. They are not publicly owned, but are commercial businesses. Users don't have rights. They only have responsibilities which involve abiding by the terms and conditions required by the site.

There is no monopoly at all. There are many alternatives, which may not be as popular or successful, but they exist. Trump was not, and is not, silenced. His reach has merely been curtailed to those who WANT to hear him.

Whether we need more regulation over the social media companies is another matter but should it be decided that we do it is likely to take the form of tighter controls over content, and not anything which allows unfettered access to their platforms, which would not be in the public interest.

Suggesting that this is all a scheme of the "left" is really quite funny. It has nothing at all to do with political positions and only concerns ensuring that lies are not allowed to repeatedly be spread, or incitement to violence or civil disorder be posted. Who-ever does that, whether from the left or the right, will suffer the same fate.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Anyone suggesting that removing the president from his main communication mode wasn't serious is simply dishonest.

I repeat, silencing the President was an abuse of power and this kind of power was never intended when they were given state advantages at the beginning.

A monopoly has been allowed to develop in the social media industry, which is akin to a conspiratorial cartel of similar political interests working in concert. No one voted to give these companies the level of power they have in modern society.

The left in America have no ethics at all and won't deal with this because it suits them. They are as bad as the capitalists they use to complain about and no one objective should be under any sort of illusion over the inevitable decay a united America is experiencing.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jun 2021 6.14pm)

But these are public companies whose shares are owned by and large by pension funds, save for the residual shareholders like Bezos and Gates etc. In the UK and USA there is a very lite touch to intervention in private media companies, it’s really only terrorism, child protection, stirring up hated etc. The rest is down to self regulation. Twitter weighed it up and Trump lost out.
Once governments intervene in private media companies it’s the road to the likes of China, North Korea etc.
I think it’s best that there is as little state intervention in what people can say as possible, so long as they aren’t advocating violence or similar.

 


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