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View adrian b's Profile adrian b Flag Landrindod, Wales 01 Aug 17 11.44am Send a Private Message to adrian b Add adrian b as a friend

No Palace do not have the defenders who can control the ball and either pass it easily to an area on least contention or run forward with the ball and play defence splitting passes often enough. FeB is worriedabout his and has asked Milyovich to drop into defence, as he could do the job required. That is receive the simple pass from another defender and distribute it. Alternatively, run forward with the ball catching all those advanced opposing forwards out of position.
How FdB gets around this dilemma is anybody's guess, but he may try it initially as Huddersfield doesnt seem a stretch and against Liverpool away Palace have nothing to lose.

 

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View majorkaios's Profile majorkaios Flag Trowbridge, Wilts 01 Aug 17 12.06pm Send a Private Message to majorkaios Add majorkaios as a friend

This year WE ONLY NEED 1 RWB AND 1 FWD/ST on loan but will be happy to wait till we can afford top quality next year.

I'm ready for the rollercoaster with Frank De Boar its gonna be a bumpy ride at first

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View adrian b's Profile adrian b Flag Landrindod, Wales 01 Aug 17 12.14pm Send a Private Message to adrian b Add adrian b as a friend

Originally posted by majorkaios

This year WE ONLY NEED 1 RWB AND 1 FWD/ST on loan but will be happy to wait till we can afford top quality next year.

I'm ready for the rollercoaster with Frank De Boar its gonna be a bumpy ride at first

COYP

As FdB would say..."for sure"

 

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 02 Aug 17 10.32am Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

very interesting article from Sky on 3-4-3 and how opposition teams cope against it

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Originally posted by adrian b

No Palace do not have the defenders who can control the ball and either pass it easily to an area on least contention or run forward with the ball and play defence splitting passes often enough. FeB is worriedabout his and has asked Milyovich to drop into defence, as he could do the job required. That is receive the simple pass from another defender and distribute it. Alternatively, run forward with the ball catching all those advanced opposing forwards out of position.
How FdB gets around this dilemma is anybody's guess, but he may try it initially as Huddersfield doesnt seem a stretch and against Liverpool away Palace have nothing to lose.

This 100%
Slightly concerning we currently don't have the players for this. Reassuring that FdB at least seems aware of this and is trying to address it. I thought the same last year when AP started trying to change us to a possession based team... But thought he could do it with an entire defence who were completely uncomfortable with the ball at their feet.

 

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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 02 Aug 17 11.20am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by adrian b

How FdB gets around this dilemma is anybody's guess, but he may try it initially as Huddersfield doesnt seem a stretch and against Liverpool away Palace have nothing to lose.

Except the nine points we've picked up at Anfield in the last three seasons, of course.

 


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FdB made a recent comment that his true favoured formation was 4-3-3 but that he didn't think we have the players to play that formation at the present time so he was going to go with 3-4-3 which I just find baffling.

The Palace squad has been built around the 4-3-3 formation for the past few years, so I can only assume he means we don't have the right players to play his iteration of 4-3-3.

I don't think we have the players for 3-4-3, much less than we do for 4-3-3. Like I said it is all a bit confusing but at the end of the day FdB will know far more than I could ever hope to when it comes to player types and how they do or don't fit a system.

Right now I would say forget which centre backs we do or don't have. We don't have a right sided wing back at all. Joel Ward is not a wing back and neither is Townsend.

 

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View steven_t92's Profile steven_t92 Flag Orpington 02 Aug 17 12.34pm Send a Private Message to steven_t92 Add steven_t92 as a friend

Originally posted by Hudsoneagle

FdB made a recent comment that his true favoured formation was 4-3-3 but that he didn't think we have the players to play that formation at the present time so he was going to go with 3-4-3 which I just find baffling.

The Palace squad has been built around the 4-3-3 formation for the past few years, so I can only assume he means we don't have the right players to play his iteration of 4-3-3.

I don't think we have the players for 3-4-3, much less than we do for 4-3-3. Like I said it is all a bit confusing but at the end of the day FdB will know far more than I could ever hope to when it comes to player types and how they do or don't fit a system.

Right now I would say forget which centre backs we do or don't have. We don't have a right sided wing back at all. Joel Ward is not a wing back and neither is Townsend.

Since when have we played 433?? think your confused with 451 which is very different in the way that the positions link together.

 

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View A89M's Profile A89M Flag Streatham 02 Aug 17 12.45pm Send a Private Message to A89M Add A89M as a friend

Originally posted by adrian b

No Palace do not have the defenders who can control the ball and either pass it easily to an area on least contention or run forward with the ball and play defence splitting passes often enough. FeB is worriedabout his and has asked Milyovich to drop into defence, as he could do the job required. That is receive the simple pass from another defender and distribute it. Alternatively, run forward with the ball catching all those advanced opposing forwards out of position.
How FdB gets around this dilemma is anybody's guess, but he may try it initially as Huddersfield doesnt seem a stretch and against Liverpool away Palace have nothing to lose.

Agree with this. It also requires a CM who can keep possession when receiving from the defense in tight areas and turn. So far, whilst puncheon keeps possession he just passes backwards. Loftus Cheek seemed to be the player who had confidence (in the WBA game at least) to take on the on the opposition when he was closed down.

Ideally a pairing of Luka and Loftus Cheek in CM would leave me happy but as Punch is captain, I can't see it.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Aug 17 1.07pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by steven_t92

Since when have we played 433?? think your confused with 451 which is very different in the way that the positions link together.

after Luka arrived it was really him as the holding midfielder so a bit like 4-1-4-1 or a bit of 4-1-1-3-1 becoming 4-5-1 when sitting deep.

I'm concerned about 3-4-3 because of the personnel restrictions and the fact that Frank has never played it and only the top top rich clubs have. Valid concerns I'd say and people putting full trust in it might benefit from being a bit cautious about it. Won't be surprised if we're on the end of some coupon busters.

 


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View The_postman's Profile The_postman Flag Forest Row 02 Aug 17 1.08pm Send a Private Message to The_postman Add The_postman as a friend

I also agree with this. The way to counteract a 4-3-3 system is to press high when not in possession and move the ball into the space behind the wing backs as soon as you win possession. Dann, Tomkins and Delaney do not have the ball playing skill or the pass accuracy needed to cope with that pressure and that's why Luca has been drafted in as CB. Unfortunately whilst he has the skill he does not have the experience of playing as a CB which showed when he played in the Metz striker for the equaliser. Plus I think we need him as a defensive midfield player. I expect that the club are doing all they can to bring in a suitable CB to partner Riedewald. I also hope that we buy a proper right wing back as I am not convinced that Townsend can do the defensive part of that job.

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Aug 17 1.13pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by samprior

This 100%
Slightly concerning we currently don't have the players for this. Reassuring that FdB at least seems aware of this and is trying to address it. I thought the same last year when AP started trying to change us to a possession based team... But thought he could do it with an entire defence who were completely uncomfortable with the ball at their feet.

All part and parcel of selling yourself for a contract extension. Lesson learned, hopefully.

 


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