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Mr Palaceman 25 Jul 17 5.13pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Compromise is a nice way of putting it. We're talking about a US government that - in order to get around dietary regulations for schoolkids - passed a bill that designated pizza as vegetable, because it has tomatoes on it. Tomatoes, of course, being a fruit. I do not trust these f**ers to protect the public over the profits of the food industry, and neither should you. I started to grow my own veg, I have a garden but a couple of grow bags in a corner can give you a lot of food. Saves me money and I know what I'm eating. I stay away from processed foods where I can but it's not easy when your on the go. I'm fortunate in that my wife likes to cook healthy food. There is something extremely satisfying about growing something yourself and eating it. I would say that anyone who wants to eat sh!te food, crack on. I personally think that there's a price to pay as you get older. You are what you eat. "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"* Stan Laurel
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Mr Palaceman

25 Jul 17 5.13pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Compromise is a nice way of putting it. We're talking about a US government that - in order to get around dietary regulations for schoolkids - passed a bill that designated pizza as vegetable, because it has tomatoes on it. Tomatoes, of course, being a fruit.

I do not trust these f***ers to protect the public over the profits of the food industry, and neither should you.

I started to grow my own veg, I have a garden but a couple of grow bags in a corner can give you a lot of food.

Saves me money and I know what I'm eating. I stay away from processed foods where I can but it's not easy when your on the go. I'm fortunate in that my wife likes to cook healthy food.

There is something extremely satisfying about growing something yourself and eating it.

I would say that anyone who wants to eat sh!te food, crack on. I personally think that there's a price to pay as you get older. You are what you eat.

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

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Ray in Houston Houston 25 Jul 17 5.19pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger But you want a huge variety of foodstuffs transported around the world and arriving looking nice and fresh and tasty looking. Do you drink, smoke or breath the air? You are at more risk from that than food. Wrong. I am lucky to be served by a good supermarket that sources its fruit and veg from local farms. As to carbon footprint, you're about as accurate as a shot by Bolasie. There is a carbon impact to grow and transport fruit and veg to the store, of course. However, to produce meat, you have to grow feed crops which are then bought by the livestock farmers and transported to their farms where it's fed to the animals, who are then slaughtered and processed by machinery. The resulting meat is then shipped to the store during which time it is required to be kept refrigerated. It's almost double the carbon footprint. Also, with veggies, once you've harvested your crop, the land left behind isn't a toxic dung heap. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But you want a huge variety of foodstuffs transported around the world and arriving looking nice and fresh and tasty looking.
Do you drink, smoke or breath the air? You are at more risk from that than food.

Wrong. I am lucky to be served by a good supermarket that sources its fruit and veg from local farms.

As to carbon footprint, you're about as accurate as a shot by Bolasie. There is a carbon impact to grow and transport fruit and veg to the store, of course. However, to produce meat, you have to grow feed crops which are then bought by the livestock farmers and transported to their farms where it's fed to the animals, who are then slaughtered and processed by machinery. The resulting meat is then shipped to the store during which time it is required to be kept refrigerated. It's almost double the carbon footprint.

Also, with veggies, once you've harvested your crop, the land left behind isn't a toxic dung heap.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Pierre Purley 25 Jul 17 5.27pm
The EU has stricter hygiene regulations than the US. These apply to the welfare of the birds, cleanliness and hygiene of the abattoirs, decease control methods, shelf life, storage and selling of the meat. Chlorine rinsing helps manage and eradicate pathogens like salmonella and campylobacter which compensates for poor husbandry on farms and poor behaviour in the supply chain and extends the shelf life of the meat. We in the UK eat more of our own chickens but also import massively from Thailand and Brazil (through the EU) who have on the whole better standards than the UK for raising chickens-more room in cages and more time to grow. Liam Fox has it right- If the USA think we are worth trading with in terms of chicken up your hygiene standards save your chlorine wash for McDonalds & Wendys and lets do a deal!
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Purley 25 Jul 17 5.27pm

The EU has stricter hygiene regulations than the US. These apply to the welfare of the birds, cleanliness and hygiene of the abattoirs, decease control methods, shelf life, storage and selling of the meat.
Chlorine rinsing helps manage and eradicate pathogens like salmonella and campylobacter which compensates for poor husbandry on farms and poor behaviour in the supply chain and extends the shelf life of the meat.
We in the UK eat more of our own chickens but also import massively from Thailand and Brazil (through the EU) who have on the whole better standards than the UK for raising chickens-more room in cages and more time to grow.

Liam Fox has it right- If the USA think we are worth trading with in terms of chicken up your hygiene standards save your chlorine wash for McDonalds & Wendys and lets do a deal!

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davenotamonkey 25 Jul 17 6.43pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Illegal under EU law but the Liam Fox (how apt) hinted that deregulation post brexit will oil the wheels of a trade deal. Gove isn't happy about watering down environmental regulations. May has washed her hands of it all (with anti bacterial hand wash no doubt) American Holers, what does chlorine washed chicken taste like? What do others think. Are we letting standards slip? Will we undermine our own poultry business? Would you eat chlorine washed chicken? I'd rather have imported chicken labelled as such, with the country of origin so that I can make the decision, rather than rely on 5hit unenforced EU standards that market "beef from multiple EU sources" that in fact turns out to be horsemeat. Particularly when the reasons behind such standards are political rather than for hygiene or safety. Set our own standards, have the sovereignty to enforce our own standards. I lived in a country with a US FTA, imported US Chicken. Preferred it to the local variety. We clearly labelled as well. Nice try though, at the latest special-pleading "issue of the day" in a bid to put down this country's forays into free market trade with the US. What next? How 5hit it is Electric Minis will be built in Oxford, because electric cars are silent, meaning pedestrians can't hear them? And Oxford is pedestrianised, right? Disaster! Bad!
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Illegal under EU law but the Liam Fox (how apt) hinted that deregulation post brexit will oil the wheels of a trade deal.

Gove isn't happy about watering down environmental regulations. May has washed her hands of it all (with anti bacterial hand wash no doubt)

American Holers, what does chlorine washed chicken taste like?

What do others think. Are we letting standards slip? Will we undermine our own poultry business? Would you eat chlorine washed chicken?

I'd rather have imported chicken labelled as such, with the country of origin so that I can make the decision, rather than rely on 5hit unenforced EU standards that market "beef from multiple EU sources" that in fact turns out to be horsemeat.

Particularly when the reasons behind such standards are political rather than for hygiene or safety.

Set our own standards, have the sovereignty to enforce our own standards.

I lived in a country with a US FTA, imported US Chicken. Preferred it to the local variety. We clearly labelled as well.

Nice try though, at the latest special-pleading "issue of the day" in a bid to put down this country's forays into free market trade with the US.

What next? How 5hit it is Electric Minis will be built in Oxford, because electric cars are silent, meaning pedestrians can't hear them? And Oxford is pedestrianised, right? Disaster! Bad!

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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jul 17 9.08pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Wrong. I am lucky to be served by a good supermarket that sources its fruit and veg from local farms. As to carbon footprint, you're about as accurate as a shot by Bolasie. There is a carbon impact to grow and transport fruit and veg to the store, of course. However, to produce meat, you have to grow feed crops which are then bought by the livestock farmers and transported to their farms where it's fed to the animals, who are then slaughtered and processed by machinery. The resulting meat is then shipped to the store during which time it is required to be kept refrigerated. It's almost double the carbon footprint. Also, with veggies, once you've harvested your crop, the land left behind isn't a toxic dung heap. So you never eat food from other countries? Ha ha.
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Wrong. I am lucky to be served by a good supermarket that sources its fruit and veg from local farms.

Also, with veggies, once you've harvested your crop, the land left behind isn't a toxic dung heap.

So you never eat food from other countries? Ha ha.

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coulsdoneagle London 25 Jul 17 9.16pm
Originally posted by Harpo Is the nation short of chickens or summat? If we import millions of chickens, we'll need to import tons of eggs. And then there's the farmers, corn merchants all going out of business. Not to mention the hard working chicken pluckers! Which will be imported first?
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London 25 Jul 17 9.16pm

Originally posted by Harpo

Is the nation short of chickens or summat?

If we import millions of chickens, we'll need to import tons of eggs.

And then there's the farmers, corn merchants all going out of business.

Not to mention the hard working chicken pluckers!

Which will be imported first?

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YT Oxford 25 Jul 17 9.42pm
Originally posted by coulsdoneagle Which will be imported first? Hey! I did that gag earlier today. 1.02pm to be precise! Great minds, eh? Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 25 Jul 17 9.42pm

Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

Which will be imported first?

Hey! I did that gag earlier today. 1.02pm to be precise! Great minds, eh?

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jul 17 10.03pm
Originally posted by davenotamonkey I'd rather have imported chicken labelled as such, with the country of origin so that I can make the decision, rather than rely on 5hit unenforced EU standards that market "beef from multiple EU sources" that in fact turns out to be horsemeat. Particularly when the reasons behind such standards are political rather than for hygiene or safety. Set our own standards, have the sovereignty to enforce our own standards. I lived in a country with a US FTA, imported US Chicken. Preferred it to the local variety. We clearly labelled as well. Nice try though, at the latest special-pleading "issue of the day" in a bid to put down this country's forays into free market trade with the US. What next? How 5hit it is Electric Minis will be built in Oxford, because electric cars are silent, meaning pedestrians can't hear them? And Oxford is pedestrianised, right? Disaster! Bad! Still in combat ready mode I see. You'll give yerself a hernia if yer not careful. It is a bit issue of the day, but one worthy of debate. Good news about the electric mini production. Maybe they have a heads up on tariff arrangements post brexit if they're getting parts from Europe / abroad. Or even better all parts could be manufactured in the UK. We'll wait and see.
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Shizzlehurst 25 Jul 17 10.03pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Particularly when the reasons behind such standards are political rather than for hygiene or safety.

Set our own standards, have the sovereignty to enforce our own standards.

I lived in a country with a US FTA, imported US Chicken. Preferred it to the local variety. We clearly labelled as well.

Nice try though, at the latest special-pleading "issue of the day" in a bid to put down this country's forays into free market trade with the US.

What next? How 5hit it is Electric Minis will be built in Oxford, because electric cars are silent, meaning pedestrians can't hear them? And Oxford is pedestrianised, right? Disaster! Bad!

Still in combat ready mode I see. You'll give yerself a hernia if yer not careful.

It is a bit issue of the day, but one worthy of debate.

Good news about the electric mini production. Maybe they have a heads up on tariff arrangements post brexit if they're getting parts from Europe / abroad. Or even better all parts could be manufactured in the UK.

We'll wait and see.

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Ray in Houston Houston 26 Jul 17 1.39am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So you never eat food from other countries? Ha ha. You forget where I live. I can grow bananas in my back garden. My father-in-law has an avocado tree. The trick to being veggie is to eat what's in season locally - it gives you variety and costs next to nothing. "Exotic" fruits and veggies are grown here, so I don't have to look for imported stuff. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 26 Jul 17 1.39am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you never eat food from other countries? Ha ha.

You forget where I live. I can grow bananas in my back garden. My father-in-law has an avocado tree. The trick to being veggie is to eat what's in season locally - it gives you variety and costs next to nothing. "Exotic" fruits and veggies are grown here, so I don't have to look for imported stuff.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 26 Jul 17 2.18am
Originally posted by Ray in Houston You forget where I live. I can grow bananas in my back garden. My father-in-law has an avocado tree. The trick to being veggie is to eat what's in season locally - it gives you variety and costs next to nothing. "Exotic" fruits and veggies are grown here, so I don't have to look for imported stuff. Bananas are technically a herb (or 'Erb as they say here) Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 26 Jul 17 2.18am

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Bananas are technically a herb (or 'Erb as they say here)

Pro USA & Israel

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Sportyteacher London 26 Jul 17 8.22am
So it looks as though we might as well be buying take away chicken from swimming pools soon then...
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Sportyteacher

London 26 Jul 17 8.22am

So it looks as though we might as well be buying take away chicken from swimming pools soon then...

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Midlands Eagle 26 Jul 17 8.50am
Originally posted by Mr Palaceman There is something extremely satisfying about growing something yourself and eating it. Gordon Ramsay did that last year with a couple of piglets although that may be a bit extreme for many
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Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

There is something extremely satisfying about growing something yourself and eating it.

Gordon Ramsay did that last year with a couple of piglets although that may be a bit extreme for many

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