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 Goldfiinger  Just down the road 26 Jul 17 4.54pm |
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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig
yeah really. good for the game because the current loan system is a catastrophe for talent development. every club buying a Chelsea youth player simply needs to evaluate the buyback when bidding. not that hard. Yes but if, united, city, Arsenal and the other top clubs keep first loaning players to other Prem teams then it's not long before the market is saturated with there academy players. Those players then have Prem experience and are the ones you want to sign. Then said super clubs say you can only sign these players with buy back clauses... It's a complete monopoly... rigged for them.. everyone else become finishing schools with virtually no chance of uncovering the best talent...
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| Midlands Eagle 26 Jul 17 4.58pm |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
Yes but if, united, city, Arsenal and the other top clubs keep first loaning players to other Prem teams then it's not long before the market is saturated with there academy players. It wouldn't be so bad if the players were brought up through their academies but they aren't as they just buy up talent and loan them out for others to develop. Whatever happened to Michael Hector who we were after a couple of years ago but who signed for Chelsea instead and disappeared into obscurity?
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Jul 17 4.59pm |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
Becuase it means all a super club has to do is buy all the young talent and watch while the other clubs pay to make them superstars before they leave... Let's pay £18m for Chambers and then once he's better Arsenal can have him back for £28m. Transfer inflation would likely mean he's worth more than that anyway. A contractual negotiation and agreement between the buying club and selling club.If the buying club is content with the transfer agreement then fine - they have got the player they want. Perhaps our club would enter into a similar deal with a club wishing to purchase one of our assets in similar circumstances.
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| Midlands Eagle 26 Jul 17 5.01pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Whatever happened to Michael Hector who we were after a couple of years ago but who signed for Chelsea instead and disappeared into obscurity? Should have Googled it before I posted as he's just joining Forest on loan.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Jul 17 5.02pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
It wouldn't be so bad if the players were brought up through their academies but they aren't as they just buy up talent and loan them out for others to develop. Whatever happened to Michael Hector who we were after a couple of years ago but who signed for Chelsea instead and disappeared into obscurity? Wasn't he loaned back to Reading then was loaned out to a German club last season ? Don't know specific details so will need to check.
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 26 Jul 17 5.13pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
A contractual negotiation and agreement between the buying club and selling club.If the buying club is content with the transfer agreement then fine - they have got the player they want. Perhaps our club would enter into a similar deal with a club wishing to purchase one of our assets in similar circumstances. Hey Wilo my point isn't that clubs don't have a choice my point is market saturation to some extent takes that choice away. Maybe if there was a limit to how many players clubs could loan out and sell with buy back clauses or if those clauses had more of a market lead reduced saving then I'd feel different. But honestly I feel we are looking at the tip of a very big iceberg that's gonna come crashing in to the Prem. Very easy to take the simplistic view that the buying club doesn't have to agree. Until you look at how saturated the division is with loaned out talent from the top clubs. Next move we are just now seeing, is them trying to insert buy back clauses. This is just the start. And as for maybe our club will do the same, sorry that doesn't make it right. (I don't think) Edited by Goldfiinger (26 Jul 2017 5.15pm)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Jul 17 5.25pm |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
Hey Wilo my point isn't that clubs don't have a choice my point is market saturation to some extent takes that choice away. Maybe if there was a limit to how many players clubs could loan out and sell with buy back clauses or if those clauses had more of a market lead reduced saving then I'd feel different. But honestly I feel we are looking at the tip of a very big iceberg that's gonna come crashing in to the Prem. Very easy to take the simplistic view that the buying club doesn't have to agree. Until you look at how saturated the division is with loaned out talent from the top clubs. Next move we are just now seeing, is them trying to insert buy back clauses. This is just the start. And as for maybe our club will do the same, sorry that doesn't make it right. (I don't think) Edited by Goldfiinger (26 Jul 2017 5.15pm) We have just loaned Loftus-Creek - are our supporters saying we are developing him for Chelsea's benefit ? Huddersfield went up with positive contributions from loanees from Liverpool, Man C, Chelsea.Didn't do them any harm ! And we,a PL club loaned out Boateng,KaiKai,Anderson,Ladapo etc - we all hope they have come back as better players ! Edited by Willo (26 Jul 2017 5.25pm)
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| Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 26 Jul 17 5.58pm |
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can someone explain why the small club can't look elsewhere if a big club insists on an unreasonable buyback?
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 26 Jul 17 6.26pm |
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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig
can someone explain why the small club can't look elsewhere if a big club insists on an unreasonable buyback? Of course they can, the point is... The big clubs buy all of young players and leave a very small pool for the rest. Now they're able to buy even more knowing that can simply loan or sell them on and buy them back.. The problem is isn't that they do it the problem is the saturation causes smaller clubs to have LESS choice elsewhere.
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 26 Jul 17 6.31pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
We have just loaned Loftus-Creek - are our supporters saying we are developing him for Chelsea's benefit ? Huddersfield went up with positive contributions from loanees from Liverpool, Man C, Chelsea.Didn't do them any harm ! And we,a PL club loaned out Boateng,KaiKai,Anderson,Ladapo etc - we all hope they have come back as better players ! Edited by Willo (26 Jul 2017 5.25pm) Thanks for making my case in point, the market is saturated with loan players. Now imagine if everyone sells there players with buy back clauses. Surely that benefits the larger clubs far far more than it would the smaller clubs. I guess the counter argument is every transfer is done like this even when a United buys a player from a scunthorpe. Let them have a buy back clause set £10m above the price and they can buy them back when there worth £160m ! FACT is the uber rich elite would never let that happen, and the agent of the young lad would never put that clause in place. So therefore it dramatically only helps the rich get richer. If you can't understand that and want to keep repeating that everyone has a choice then ok be simplistic
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| rollercoaster Cornwall 26 Jul 17 6.34pm |
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There is a 'limit' of talent available. Rich clubs have a 'monopoly' of that talent. The 'market' is broken. Therefore there needs to be an 'adjustment' made to make the 'market' work properly. Surely even a die-hard conservative can see that 'intervention' is needed.
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 26 Jul 17 6.43pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
We have just loaned Loftus-Creek - are our supporters saying we are developing him for Chelsea's benefit ? Huddersfield went up with positive contributions from loanees from Liverpool, Man C, Chelsea.Didn't do them any harm ! And we,a PL club loaned out Boateng,KaiKai,Anderson,Ladapo etc - we all hope they have come back as better players ! Edited by Willo (26 Jul 2017 5.25pm) How is it good for football that a team can get promoted with half of their team being loan players, they don't even own. How is that fair or right? Half there prize money goes where? Straight back to the top super clubs so they can pay more loan fees. Rich get richer by strangling the market. But yes Wilo that's right, fair and good for the sport. Ok
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