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 Aray  South London 09 Aug 17 10.40pm |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
So in your world chanting racism is ok? Would honestly like to know the answer as you appear to say words arent violent and therefore anyone can say what they like. Hate speach therefore shouldn't exist and we can all say whatever we like including racism? That's what your saying or I'm miss interpreting your posts? Edited by Goldfiinger (09 Aug 2017 7.48pm) He will swerve the question. He equates racial or homophobic abuse with calling someone ugly or fat. It's fine though because words aren't violence and words can't hurt. Stirling is simply an extremist - a free speech taliban at best.
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| Mapletree Croydon 10 Aug 17 12.01am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Like I say, stick your ridiculous beta male shame up where the sun don't shine. I don't care what you think. I only care about the thoughts of people I respect. I don't support those chanting stupid immature things at people at football grounds. But I also don't support people who regard 'words as violence' and want to censor away everything they oppose. Real life isn't a library and certain wallies think that they can turn football grounds into them. Stirling, surely you aren't saying words can't cause serious pain. The UK has 6,200 suicides a year compared to 1,732 road deaths. Many are in response to verbal bullying of one form or another
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| Stirlingsays Online 10 Aug 17 3.02am |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
So in your world chanting racism is ok? Would honestly like to know the answer as you appear to say words arent violent and therefore anyone can say what they like. Hate speach therefore shouldn't exist and we can all say whatever we like including racism? That's what your saying or I'm miss interpreting your posts? Edited by Goldfiinger (09 Aug 2017 7.48pm) I'm fed up with repeating myself for the hard of reading. If you genuinely want to know the answer take your lazy self back into the thread and fine out.
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| Stirlingsays Online 10 Aug 17 3.04am |
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Originally posted by Aray
He will swerve the question. He equates racial or homophobic abuse with calling someone ugly or fat. It's fine though because words aren't violence and words can't hurt. Stirling is simply an extremist - a free speech taliban at best. I'm an extremist am I? 'the move a soceity drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it' (Orwell)
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| Stirlingsays Online 10 Aug 17 3.20am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Stirling, surely you aren't saying words can't cause serious pain. The UK has 6,200 suicides a year compared to 1,732 road deaths. Many are in response to verbal bullying of one form or another You should be careful when attributing reasons for suicide. It's a whole thread on its own. There are multiple reasons for it with genes being a big factor amongst others. No one sensible supports destructive feedback as healthy for anyone. However, life isn't just about the angels of our nature but its holistic reality. When people try to frame 'words as violence' then you go down a road with huge dangers for the suppression of ideas. The law quite rightly bans 'incitement to violence' and that is what words can be.....words can only ever portray intent....that's all they can do. To take a step beyond that isn't only logically bereft but it's a step along the path to Orwell's nightmare of 'thoughtcrime'. Idiots who seriously abuse people in various ways are already dealt with by law. There is no requirement to start introducing any further concepts.
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| topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 10 Aug 17 9.48am |
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Originally posted by Malcolm Ali's Son
You must be deaf... I am, partially, but I can still hear when people are shouting disgusting abuse. Most matches it is aimed at the ref. Or Craig Dawson. I just don't think singing about holding hands etc is disgusting abuse. puerile, certainly, but then aren't most football songs?
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 10 Aug 17 10.07am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm fed up with repeating myself for the hard of reading. If you genuinely want to know the answer take your lazy self back into the thread and fine out. Simple yes or no answer will do. Not trying to start an argument with you. Just can't understand how you can believe some words don't lead to volience and everyone should be entitled to say what they like including by definition racism. No one wants to turn stadiums in to library's that would be awful and silly to suggest. But racism isn't wanted in stadiums. Your comments the ones I've read do infer and sorry if I've missed something, but they do infer that everyone should have the right to say what they like. IF that's actually what you think ok. Side stepping the direct question only leads people to see one answer. Although I'm not excusing you of being racist so please don't think that. I just find it hard to acknowledge there are still people in my great city who would turn a blind eye to it and call it freedom of speach.
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 10 Aug 17 10.11am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You should be careful when attributing reasons for suicide. It's a whole thread on its own. There are multiple reasons for it with genes being a big factor amongst others. No one sensible supports destructive feedback as healthy for anyone. However, life isn't just about the angels of our nature but its holistic reality. When people try to frame 'words as violence' then you go down a road with huge dangers for the suppression of ideas. The law quite rightly bans 'incitement to violence' and that is what words can be.....words can only ever portray intent....that's all they can do. To take a step beyond that isn't only logically bereft but it's a step along the path to Orwell's nightmare of 'thoughtcrime'. Idiots who seriously abuse people in various ways are already dealt with by law. There is no requirement to start introducing any further concepts.
Yes we have laws in place it's called hate speach law. To protect people from words inciting violence. Yet unless I've missed something and sorry if I have, you just spent all the previous posts saying everyone can say what they like. Ie that these laws shouldn't be in place? Sorry Stirling I'm just confused over the mixed messages you send in the different replies.
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| Dan1994 Wallington 10 Aug 17 10.13am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Stirling, surely you aren't saying words can't cause serious pain. The UK has 6,200 suicides a year compared to 1,732 road deaths. Many are in response to verbal bullying of one form or another What evidence do you have to suggest that? As someone who has experienced long-term mental health issues through myself, friends and family, I can tell you there are a whole multitude of reasons for mental illness. I find your b******isation of suicide statistics quite offensive, I demand that you be silenced! (last sentence was a joke, obviously)
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| Stirlingsays Online 10 Aug 17 10.15am |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
Yes we have laws in place it's called hate speach law. To protect people from words inciting violence. Yet unless I've missed something and sorry if I have, you just spent all the previous posts saying everyone can say what they like. Ie that these laws shouldn't be in place? Sorry Stirling I'm just confused over the mixed messages you send in the different replies. Really? You mean you haven't read that I support freedom of speech laws which draw a line on libel, incitement to violence and obscenity? You haven't read that then?
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| Stirlingsays Online 10 Aug 17 10.19am |
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Read my last reply back to Maple, it covers the same territory. If there is something that this doesn't answer that you point out then I'll happily tackle it.
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 10 Aug 17 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Really? You mean you haven't read that I support freedom of speech laws which draw a line on libel, incitement to violence and obscenity? You haven't read that then? No sorry Stirling I hadn't. I had read lots about you saying words aren't violent and there by implying anyone can say whatever they like. Im now reading that you support laws which are there to protect from incitement to violence which is great. But surely this contradicts you claimimg words are violent. Either way it's good to know you support laws from inciting violence.
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