There has always been a gangster allure, back in the 60s it was the Krays and the Richardsons, the difference between then and now, is that wages weren't s**t - Families of four could get by on a single adults wages.

Working must always be a route out of poverty - not a means of subsistence. If they aren't, then the value of working is eroded as is the ethical imperative - and that leads to a greater allure of gangster culture - when you're spending 50 hours a week working a McDonalds to stand still, but some guy from the estate is earning 10k a week driving a nice car and has all the trapping of success, for what appears to be no real work - selling drugs - its an attractive prospect.

Pretty much true of what every generation has said about the following generation.

There has always been a gangster allure, back in the 60s it was the Krays and the Richardsons, the difference between then and now, is that wages weren't s**t - Families of four could get by on a single adults wages.

Working must always be a route out of poverty - not a means of subsistence. If they aren't, then the value of working is eroded as is the ethical imperative - and that leads to a greater allure of gangster culture - when you're spending 50 hours a week working a McDonalds to stand still, but some guy from the estate is earning 10k a week driving a nice car and has all the trapping of success, for what appears to be no real work - selling drugs - its an attractive prospect.

Pretty much true of what every generation has said about the following generation.

Demographics, and a lot of wealth is inherited.... also whites/Asians out perform us educationally... It stings saying it, but it's true. If we admit it... we've more chance of catching up.

There needs to be a change in attitude in the black community, accept our faults (criminality/lack of role models/breakdown of family unit/etc) and start to fix them... we need to hold ourselves to the same standards the whites/Asians do... get our young boys outta gangs and in college/university. I want it to be the norm for black people to be in further education.

Can't see it happening in my lifetime thou

I'm on my phone in screwfix, so this will be brief.

How do you know you were targeted by colour... my nephew was stopped, they were looking for someone who matched his description... a lot of street crime in London is committed by young black males, the nature of the crime means there is often a good description of the perpetrator, that's why police sometimes stop young black males... they're just following up leads... this was explained by a black senior police officer on LBC. Someone phoned in, and genuinely said black crime should be investigated differently... that unless the crime was violent, a watered down approach was better.

I started a thread on here about me moving my car a short distance and getting a ticket for not wearing sit belt... I thought to myself... I wonder if it's because I'm non white, in a 99% white Sussex town. Turns out... the copper is a jobsworth... he gets everyone.

Sometimes people are arseholes... doesn't make em racist.

I spend a lot of time in South London and East London... mainly Hackney. The problem with young black crime is so noticeable. I don't blame anyone in these areas for looking at young black people with suspicion. I know I do.

Like Chris Rock said.... "we can blame the media all we like... but when I'm at a cash point, it's N****rs that I'm looking out for"