And expect the keeper to suddenly change from being useless with the ball stuck between his feet to talented with the ball. And expect the players to keep giving it to him. Maybe a new keeper will solve this but I'd rather see all this after the players are in rather than before.

COYP

As a lifelong fan I want to see us progress in our 5th year in the premier league. I think the OP made some good points and think that people misunderstand richest league for best league.
I want to see us make progress in playing, ground, academy, coaches, training ground. But this has to be done over time. The team and squad have been built now for years around counter attacking aggressive speedy wingers type of football.we simply don't have the players who are comfortable with the ball at their feet to play 343. We have a different more traditional breed. It can work and we can change but we really need to spend to do it. Am really surprised in Parish going for this after the disaster Pardew made out of it with pretty much the same players. I want to see us dominate possession and pass the ball around and be more entertained but I want us to be in the premier league more and with gentle slow progression. We may have gone to quick to change too much too soon.

TBH I don't know what you are talking about now , I said if it was working we would not be groaning , I said we passed it three times before hoofing it (doesn't matter who) and know you confess to being the joining in with the groaning you were moaning about .

We all went into this game with a lot of trepidation as we knew the system was going to be completely different. The groans from our fans so early on is a real wind up for me also and it was music to the oppositions ears. I am surprised us as fans don't realise the tension we bring to our home games in general. I think SP has gambled a bit hoping we can be better over the season than 3 other teams and progress with this system. I have concerns as we saw a simple press on us early on and we looked ragged, what will Liverpool do to us. We say we have the best league in the world and I agree with that but only for exciting attaching football where anyone can beat anyone no one or two horse races here.

As soon as the team's were announced the palace win drifted 10% or 15% and the draw shortened. I said that would happen.

COYP

For me, De Boer does not yet understand Crystal Palace and is trying to change too much too quickly, without having the players to do it, or possibly the coaching acumen.

The same thing happened to Pardew.

Pulis is a massively underrated manager and certainly here because of the acrimonious nature of his departure. That aside, at every club he's been at, he's looked at the players he has and plays to the individual and collective strength, then gradually imposes where he wants to go with new signings. It's not rocket science but is surprisingly rare.

Allardyce had a simple approach that can be implemented at pretty much any prem club. That's why he's never been relegated.

De Boer needs to learn in double-quick time what he's got (a very good squad) and how to get the best out of them and get results. Over time he can refine while hopefully still getting enough results, but not straight away.

I can only presume he hasn't done his homework on Palace, either last season or since we've been in the prem, which is such a shocking thought I hope I'm wrong. He doesn't seem to know that Townsend is one of our best players, Ward is a good player but never a wing back and we are not comfortable in possession in front of our own box - although few are in this time of chasing players down.

I hope he rectifies quickly, it's ok to make mistakes, especially at the beginning, but to not adapt would be unforgiveable.

You'll be forever in my family's memories and it was an honor and privilege to play and lead in the red and blue
Yours sincerely
Mile Jedinak