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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Aug 17 1.45pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I don't mean in numbers, I mean in terms of genes. The idea that Britain has been anything but European for thousands of years is total bulls*** and a deliberate distortion of historical fact. Anyone can look up the steady population growth but the difference is that modern population increase is largely down to immigration and despite recent falling birth rate. You have proved time and time again that you are clueless on this subject so do pipe down. Oh did you now? Yeah, population numbers/genes. Easily mixed up. Well in that case what happened in the U.S and Australia must make you seethe with empathetic anger for those natives and aboriginals who have seen incoming European genes wipe out their hegemony in their country. Or is it ok if we do it? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 14 Aug 17 1.45pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't mean in numbers, I mean in terms of genes.

The idea that Britain has been anything but European for thousands of years is total bulls*** and a deliberate distortion of historical fact.
Anyone can look up the steady population growth but the difference is that modern population increase is largely down to immigration and despite recent falling birth rate.

You have proved time and time again that you are clueless on this subject so do pipe down.

Oh did you now? Yeah, population numbers/genes. Easily mixed up.

Well in that case what happened in the U.S and Australia must make you seethe with empathetic anger for those natives and aboriginals who have seen incoming European genes wipe out their hegemony in their country. Or is it ok if we do it?

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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Aug 17 1.51pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Nationality is independent of race in terms of eligibility. However when it comes to culture, I'm afraid there comes a giant gulf between what many of us regard as valid. Personally I regard that much damage has happened because of left wing ideology on this matter....multiculturalism for example. The Right have consistently signed us up to it yet irrationality bleat and constantly moan about it and the Left are trying to make the best of it taking into consideration it is here; and here to stay. Think I will stay with the latter attitude. The former is just self-defeating and closed minded. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 14 Aug 17 1.51pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Nationality is independent of race in terms of eligibility.

However when it comes to culture, I'm afraid there comes a giant gulf between what many of us regard as valid. Personally I regard that much damage has happened because of left wing ideology on this matter....multiculturalism for example.

The Right have consistently signed us up to it yet irrationality bleat and constantly moan about it and the Left are trying to make the best of it taking into consideration it is here; and here to stay.

Think I will stay with the latter attitude. The former is just self-defeating and closed minded.

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Stirlingsays 14 Aug 17 1.58pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 True, but genetics don't stop at borders and self identity, which is what I was referring to in the original posters response - 'in don't mean numbers I mean genes'. People are genetically more similar than different. I don't really know how different human genes are from different parts of the world. I've listened to some Sam Harris stuff on this and apparently there are differences between races in terms of 'intelligence'....for example, Jews have the highest IQ scores from any group. Statistical physical differences Africans, from certain areas have more muscle fast twitch fibers, longer arms and so on. Though it's important to note that this data is only of import on mass population levels. Harris makes the point that these differences between groups differ in statistical extent and relevance. Also and I think correctly he points out that everyone is an individual and that being of a group doesn't mean anything by itself....for example, you can be a thick Jew or an African with short arms. Everyone should be treated as an individual and treated fairly regardless of what group or sex you are. Apparently with this genetic tracking they can find out where different lines of your genetic line come from on the planet. So if you're part Welsh and it takes you back to a sheep farm....I imagine you'd have good reason to feel a little depressed about it. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Aug 2017 3.40pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Aug 17 1.58pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

True, but genetics don't stop at borders and self identity, which is what I was referring to in the original posters response - 'in don't mean numbers I mean genes'. People are genetically more similar than different.

I don't really know how different human genes are from different parts of the world. I've listened to some Sam Harris stuff on this and apparently there are differences between races in terms of 'intelligence'....for example, Jews have the highest IQ scores from any group. Statistical physical differences Africans, from certain areas have more muscle fast twitch fibers, longer arms and so on.

Though it's important to note that this data is only of import on mass population levels. Harris makes the point that these differences between groups differ in statistical extent and relevance. Also and I think correctly he points out that everyone is an individual and that being of a group doesn't mean anything by itself....for example, you can be a thick Jew or an African with short arms.

Everyone should be treated as an individual and treated fairly regardless of what group or sex you are.

Apparently with this genetic tracking they can find out where different lines of your genetic line come from on the planet.

So if you're part Welsh and it takes you back to a sheep farm....I imagine you'd have good reason to feel a little depressed about it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Aug 2017 3.40pm)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Aug 17 4.26pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't really know how different human genes are from different parts of the world. I've listened to some Sam Harris stuff on this and apparently there are differences between races in terms of 'intelligence'....for example, Jews have the highest IQ scores from any group. Statistical physical differences Africans, from certain areas have more muscle fast twitch fibers, longer arms and so on. Though it's important to note that this data is only of import on mass population levels. Harris makes the point that these differences between groups differ in statistical extent and relevance. Also and I think correctly he points out that everyone is an individual and that being of a group doesn't mean anything by itself....for example, you can be a thick Jew or an African with short arms. Everyone should be treated as an individual and treated fairly regardless of what group or sex you are. Apparently with this genetic tracking they can find out where different lines of your genetic line come from on the planet. So if you're part Welsh and it takes you back to a sheep farm....I imagine you'd have good reason to feel a little depressed about it. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Aug 2017 3.40pm) Though it's important to note that this data is only of import on mass population levels. Harris makes the point that these differences between groups differ in statistical extent and relevance. Also and I think correctly he points out that everyone is an individual and that being of a group doesn't mean anything by itself....for example, you can be a thick Jew or an African with short arms. That's spot on. I think its vital in science to not only present your conclusions, but establish the limitations and restrictions inherent in your conclusions. IQ and Intelligence correlate - they're not the same thing - and race itself is questionable if your talking in terms of genetics - However, it would be churlish to assume that there isn't a relationship between biology, genetics and intelligence, as well as factors like socialisation, education etc. Its really a linguistic problem with western European language, specifically English and German, in which something either is (a true thing), or is not (an untrue thing). There isn't really a situation in language where its both (which maybe is closer to reality as far as complex phenomena are concerned - where its synergic). I suspect you can have all the biological advantages and be a f**kwit if you don't put in the effort, and all the education in the world isn't going to help you if you have brain damage. I doubt anything in life is more productive than putting in the hard work. Granted you may not play football professionally, if you put in the effort - but you sure as hell won't if you don't. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 14 Aug 17 4.26pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Everyone should be treated as an individual and treated fairly regardless of what group or sex you are.

Apparently with this genetic tracking they can find out where different lines of your genetic line come from on the planet.

So if you're part Welsh and it takes you back to a sheep farm....I imagine you'd have good reason to feel a little depressed about it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Aug 2017 3.40pm)

That's spot on. I think its vital in science to not only present your conclusions, but establish the limitations and restrictions inherent in your conclusions.

IQ and Intelligence correlate - they're not the same thing - and race itself is questionable if your talking in terms of genetics - However, it would be churlish to assume that there isn't a relationship between biology, genetics and intelligence, as well as factors like socialisation, education etc.

Its really a linguistic problem with western European language, specifically English and German, in which something either is (a true thing), or is not (an untrue thing). There isn't really a situation in language where its both (which maybe is closer to reality as far as complex phenomena are concerned - where its synergic).

I suspect you can have all the biological advantages and be a f**kwit if you don't put in the effort, and all the education in the world isn't going to help you if you have brain damage.

I doubt anything in life is more productive than putting in the hard work. Granted you may not play football professionally, if you put in the effort - but you sure as hell won't if you don't.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Aug 17 4.30pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Though it's important to note that this data is only of import on mass population levels. Harris makes the point that these differences between groups differ in statistical extent and relevance. Also and I think correctly he points out that everyone is an individual and that being of a group doesn't mean anything by itself....for example, you can be a thick Jew or an African with short arms. That's spot on. I think its vital in science to not only present your conclusions, but establish the limitations and restrictions inherent in your conclusions. IQ and Intelligence correlate - they're not the same thing - and race itself is questionable if your talking in terms of genetics - However, it would be churlish to assume that there isn't a relationship between biology, genetics and intelligence, as well as factors like socialisation, education etc. Its really a linguistic problem with western European language, specifically English and German, in which something either is (a true thing), or is not (an untrue thing). There isn't really a situation in language where its both (which maybe is closer to reality as far as complex phenomena are concerned - where its synergic). I suspect you can have all the biological advantages and be a f**kwit if you don't put in the effort, and all the education in the world isn't going to help you if you have brain damage. I doubt anything in life is more productive than putting in the hard work. Granted you may not play football professionally, if you put in the effort - but you sure as hell won't if you don't. Black guys run sprint races well, but their swimming is poor. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 14 Aug 17 4.30pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

That's spot on. I think its vital in science to not only present your conclusions, but establish the limitations and restrictions inherent in your conclusions.

I suspect you can have all the biological advantages and be a f**kwit if you don't put in the effort, and all the education in the world isn't going to help you if you have brain damage.

I doubt anything in life is more productive than putting in the hard work. Granted you may not play football professionally, if you put in the effort - but you sure as hell won't if you don't.

Black guys run sprint races well, but their swimming is poor.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Aug 17 5.42pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Black guys run sprint races well, but their swimming is poor. And England are s**t at any sport they invent. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 14 Aug 17 5.42pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Black guys run sprint races well, but their swimming is poor.

And England are s**t at any sport they invent.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Aug 17 5.45pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 And England are s**t at any sport they invent. Pretty good at snooker. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 14 Aug 17 5.45pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

And England are s**t at any sport they invent.

Pretty good at snooker.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 14 Aug 17 9.04pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I don't mean in numbers, I mean in terms of genes. The idea that Britain has been anything but European for thousands of years is total bulls*** and a deliberate distortion of historical fact. Anyone can look up the steady population growth but the difference is that modern population increase is largely down to immigration and despite recent falling birth rate. You have proved time and time again that you are clueless on this subject so do pipe down. [Link] [Link] [Link] People of non-european backgrounds have come to Britain throughout the last 2000 years (at least). They have settled here and contributed to the cultural life and economy of Britain. Not mentioned in the links I have provided is the massive contribution that Jewish people have made in various immigrations over the years (from Spain, Poland and Russia). You, clearly, wish to re-write history for your own ends, but you are also clearly very, very wrong. And the increase in population is far more affected by longer lifespans in recent decades. When the retirement age of 65 for men was brought in in 1902, the average life expectancy was 58. Now it is 81. How wrong can you be? Edited by crystal balls (14 Aug 2017 9.08pm) I used to be immortal
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The Garden of Earthly Delights 14 Aug 17 9.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't mean in numbers, I mean in terms of genes.

The idea that Britain has been anything but European for thousands of years is total bulls*** and a deliberate distortion of historical fact.
Anyone can look up the steady population growth but the difference is that modern population increase is largely down to immigration and despite recent falling birth rate.

You have proved time and time again that you are clueless on this subject so do pipe down.

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People of non-european backgrounds have come to Britain throughout the last 2000 years (at least). They have settled here and contributed to the cultural life and economy of Britain. Not mentioned in the links I have provided is the massive contribution that Jewish people have made in various immigrations over the years (from Spain, Poland and Russia).
You, clearly, wish to re-write history for your own ends, but you are also clearly very, very wrong.

And the increase in population is far more affected by longer lifespans in recent decades. When the retirement age of 65 for men was brought in in 1902, the average life expectancy was 58. Now it is 81. How wrong can you be?

Edited by crystal balls (14 Aug 2017 9.08pm)

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wordup 16 Aug 17 9.33pm
Political views are a protected class in California, and so I hope the guy sues. There are also protected classes on a federal level. For instance the reason Trump could in theory eject trans people from the military is because they're not a protected class federally. The same for openly gay members of the military years back, as sexuality is not a federally protected class. Politically many of the people bemoaning Google's behaviour with regard to these gender comments, were all for business owner rights when they could boot out gay people from their jobs when they felt like it. People ought to realise that principles and fairness do not suddenly start to matter when those with your own views or politics are up against it. That's just being self serving and wishing to hold power over others in society when they lack much of a voice. In fact it's an attitude that is beyond disgusting. I always liked what Joe Bidden said about abortion. Basically that it's against his beliefs but he doesn't want to force his beliefs upon others. There is something to be said for that outlook and in holding it uniformly to the benefit of all, not selfishly and selectively for the benefit of yourself. Edited by wordup (16 Aug 2017 10.25pm)
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16 Aug 17 9.33pm

Political views are a protected class in California, and so I hope the guy sues. There are also protected classes on a federal level. For instance the reason Trump could in theory eject trans people from the military is because they're not a protected class federally. The same for openly gay members of the military years back, as sexuality is not a federally protected class.

Politically many of the people bemoaning Google's behaviour with regard to these gender comments, were all for business owner rights when they could boot out gay people from their jobs when they felt like it. People ought to realise that principles and fairness do not suddenly start to matter when those with your own views or politics are up against it. That's just being self serving and wishing to hold power over others in society when they lack much of a voice. In fact it's an attitude that is beyond disgusting.

I always liked what Joe Bidden said about abortion. Basically that it's against his beliefs but he doesn't want to force his beliefs upon others. There is something to be said for that outlook and in holding it uniformly to the benefit of all, not selfishly and selectively for the benefit of yourself.

Edited by wordup (16 Aug 2017 10.25pm)

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