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 Stirlingsays  30 Aug 17 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I'm a nationalist. So I think I share that. Other than that I can't really think of anything.
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| Stirlingsays 30 Aug 17 1.40pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I've never seen the far left in the West carrying flags with Pol Pot or Stalin emblazoned on them during marches but I have seen the Far right unashamedly carrying swastikas and doing Sieg Heils and generally being obnoxiously racist. It's almost as if the latter think that the genocide of the Jews and other of their 'undesirables' was a good thing and that it wouldn't be so bad if it happened again. Funny how some on here have their backs. Sick idiots.
Aren't you guilty of lowering a standard so that you can mis-brand those you don't like?
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Kermit8  Hevon 30 Aug 17 1.52pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm a nationalist. So I think I share that. Other than that I can't really think of anything. I am not sure you are actually wanting to lump your nationalism in with the type of nationalism neo-nazis espouse, do you, though you just have?
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| Kermit8 Hevon 30 Aug 17 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You made the assertion... which was stupid.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 30 Aug 17 2.05pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
You and I play a different game. Yours is denial. Mine is the preservation of standards.
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| Stirlingsays 30 Aug 17 3.10pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I am not sure you are actually wanting to lump your nationalism in with the type of nationalism neo-nazis espouse, do you, though you just have? I must admit I don't keep up with all the nuances of the different forms of nationalism. I suppose it's like most things with being left or right wing, a person can hold bits of both in different policy areas. I must certainly don't hold a nationalism that focuses on race (as nationality isn't race) or wants to bash people on the head for holding different opinions from me. I hold definite concerns for the future of secularism in this country because the people at the reins are incompetent and think that 'I'd like to teach the world to sing' is an actual philosophy to ensure it. But these are battles my children will unfortunately likely have to fight. This and the last generation will be the ones blamed for that. But while it's perhaps not fair to call people who are right wing in certain areas a fascist/nazi/racist I do think it's valid for you to ask questions of what people believe.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Aug 17 4.31pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
WARNING Please do not imply that people are neo-nazis or fascists, because they may share one or two views with them. Neo-Nazism also shares a lot of similarities among the left as well as right, and mainstream as its utilises popularism.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 30 Aug 17 4.38pm |
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One day you are laughing about stuff like this and then the next it becomes a reality. Is there any limit to some people's stupidity?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Aug 17 4.42pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm a nationalist. So I think I share that. Other than that I can't really think of anything. Well in line with National Socialist Party of Germany I also support the concepts of prioritising the working classes, a primacy towards citizens over non-citizens in terms of employment and rights, nationalisation of key utilities and assets, unionisation and also things like universal health care, free education etc. Nazism and Fascism were, like Communism and socialism, based in anti-capitalism. As a result the left share a lot of common concepts with National Socialism (albeit with very different approaches to these). Nationalism isn't just a far right thing, I've known left wing nationalists, as well as liberal and right wing nationalists. Yep, you can be a nationalist and very liberal - The perspective of the ideals of a nation vary according to individual views of nationhood. Nationalism shouldn't be a dirty word, just because of some people.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Aug 17 4.45pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
One day you are laughing about stuff like this and then the next it becomes a reality. Is there any limit to some people's stupidity? Who the f**k is still going to the cinema to see 'Gone with the Wind'. Also, its a private company, its within its full legal rights to decide what films it shows, and why. Maybe next week they'll be showing that new blockbuster movie Citizen Kane.
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| Stirlingsays 30 Aug 17 4.49pm |
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I listened to a 'league of nerds' interview with the guy who wrote 'perfect soldiers', one of the few books actually written about the 911 hijackers. It's a fascinating interview for those interested. I think a requirement for real barbarism to happen...lets for the sake of ease call it 'evil'. I think for that to happen there has to be a disconnect between the individual and their actions. The reality is that many 'evil' people are banal in their normality. On a small level this 'disconnect' can be seen in the difference say between how someone might communicate on the web as opposed to how they might in person. On a larger level professional armies know just how hard it is to change the mindset of a civilian into someone who will take part in a real bayonet charge.....against essentially strangers on a different team from them. An up close association between the individual and savagery requires disconnect and motivation. The disconnect between what a bomber pilot does as a job and what their actions produce is another example. This is not me making judgements upon say allied bombing pilots on German city runs. That's a whole thread on its own. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Aug 2017 4.51pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 30 Aug 17 4.59pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well in line with National Socialist Party of Germany I also support the concepts of prioritising the working classes, a primacy towards citizens over non-citizens in terms of employment and rights, nationalisation of key utilities and assets, unionisation and also things like universal health care, free education etc. Nazism and Fascism were, like Communism and socialism, based in anti-capitalism. As a result the left share a lot of common concepts with National Socialism (albeit with very different approaches to these). Nationalism isn't just a far right thing, I've known left wing nationalists, as well as liberal and right wing nationalists. Yep, you can be a nationalist and very liberal - The perspective of the ideals of a nation vary according to individual views of nationhood. Nationalism shouldn't be a dirty word, just because of some people. Surely, modern human society is based on nationalism. It's not going away any time soon.
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