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Painter Croydon 18 Aug 17 10.35am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman It stems from the fact he said 3-4-3 suits us more which it very obviously did not. He brought in 3 players and it still didn't. It's still at least 3 players short. To do what he would like to do would cost Ł100 mil to do it properly and safely right now. He wants to play 3-4-3 because that's the trend and is what the top 7 managers are playing. Well we're not top 7 but bottom 7. Either it's ignoring what squad are and aren't capable of or it's a very poor appraisal. More the former than the latter with the haste Frank decided on committing to 3-4-3. This is where the perception of stubbornness has come from. How can you say he is stubborn, after only one competitive game?
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Painter

Croydon 18 Aug 17 10.35am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

It stems from the fact he said 3-4-3 suits us more which it very obviously did not. He brought in 3 players and it still didn't. It's still at least 3 players short. To do what he would like to do would cost Ł100 mil to do it properly and safely right now.

He wants to play 3-4-3 because that's the trend and is what the top 7 managers are playing. Well we're not top 7 but bottom 7. Either it's ignoring what squad are and aren't capable of or it's a very poor appraisal. More the former than the latter with the haste Frank decided on committing to 3-4-3.

This is where the perception of stubbornness has come from.

How can you say he is stubborn, after only one competitive game?

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Andy_G Wimbledon 18 Aug 17 10.44am
Originally posted by Nobbybm Speaking ahead of Palace's match with West Brom in Hong Kong today (Saturday), de Boer said: "I am very fond of 4-3-3 which I have played in all my life, but on the other side you have to look at your squad and I think that right now 3-4-3 is the best system." You seriously have to question that statement. There doesn't appear any evidence to support it, Sam tried it for a couple of games but it didn't work and went back to a solid 4. All that's been added is a young centre back who has never played in England and a young guy from Utd who hasn't had many first team games. They both played in the 3 man defence. I'm not surprised he got stick for those decisions but most of all the way we played. It's now up to him to turn things around. The ups and downs of Palace have left me older than my years
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Andy_G

Wimbledon 18 Aug 17 10.44am

Originally posted by Nobbybm

Speaking ahead of Palace's match with West Brom in Hong Kong today (Saturday), de Boer said: "I am very fond of 4-3-3 which I have played in all my life, but on the other side you have to look at your squad and I think that right now 3-4-3 is the best system."

You seriously have to question that statement. There doesn't appear any evidence to support it, Sam tried it for a couple of games but it didn't work and went back to a solid 4. All that's been added is a young centre back who has never played in England and a young guy from Utd who hasn't had many first team games. They both played in the 3 man defence. I'm not surprised he got stick for those decisions but most of all the way we played.

It's now up to him to turn things around.

The ups and downs of Palace have left me older than my years

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spartakev2 Anerley 18 Aug 17 10.46am
Originally posted by Painter How can you say he is stubborn, after only one competitive game? This is the thing. I think he was shocked on saturday, and may well decide that we can't play that way at the moment. Certainly not away at Liverpool. So calling him stubborn at the moment is a ridiculous statement.
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Anerley 18 Aug 17 10.46am

Originally posted by Painter

How can you say he is stubborn, after only one competitive game?

This is the thing. I think he was shocked on saturday, and may well decide that we can't play that way at the moment. Certainly not away at Liverpool. So calling him stubborn at the moment is a ridiculous statement.

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Bangell Oxford 18 Aug 17 10.50am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman It stems from the fact he said 3-4-3 suits us more which it very obviously did not. He brought in 3 players and it still didn't. It's still at least 3 players short. To do what he would like to do would cost Ł100 mil to do it properly and safely right now. He wants to play 3-4-3 because that's the trend and is what the top 7 managers are playing. Well we're not top 7 but bottom 7. Either it's ignoring what squad are and aren't capable of or it's a very poor appraisal. More the former than the latter with the haste Frank decided on committing to 3-4-3. This is where the perception of stubbornness has come from. Yeah, I agree that 3-4-3 doesn't suit us and it was foolish to try it out at this time, but a lot of doom-mongers are assuming we're sticking with it regardless of results. If the Swansea performance ends up the same as the Huddersfield one, I can see us switching to 4-3-3 over the international break.
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Bangell

Oxford 18 Aug 17 10.50am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

This is where the perception of stubbornness has come from.

Yeah, I agree that 3-4-3 doesn't suit us and it was foolish to try it out at this time, but a lot of doom-mongers are assuming we're sticking with it regardless of results. If the Swansea performance ends up the same as the Huddersfield one, I can see us switching to 4-3-3 over the international break.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Aug 17 11.04am
Originally posted by Painter How can you say he is stubborn, after only one competitive game? Right, I haven't said HE IS stubborn. I have said 'if he turns out to be' or 'proves he is stubborn'. Some others have said similar. But you cannot tell me he hasn't ploughed ahead with a formation that clearly doesn't suit the players we had when we were 6 players short of playing it, and being well aware that our net spend available was an approximate maximum of Ł30 million. I think from all of that you can understand the concern from many. If a new work boss came in and made a bizarre or strange change in direction or diversification without taking any time to be sure, I bet a lot of people would be rightly concerned as well. Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Aug 2017 11.24am) COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 Aug 17 11.04am

Originally posted by Painter

How can you say he is stubborn, after only one competitive game?

Right, I haven't said HE IS stubborn. I have said 'if he turns out to be' or 'proves he is stubborn'. Some others have said similar.

But you cannot tell me he hasn't ploughed ahead with a formation that clearly doesn't suit the players we had when we were 6 players short of playing it, and being well aware that our net spend available was an approximate maximum of Ł30 million.

I think from all of that you can understand the concern from many. If a new work boss came in and made a bizarre or strange change in direction or diversification without taking any time to be sure, I bet a lot of people would be rightly concerned as well.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 Aug 2017 11.24am)

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lefty27 ipswich 18 Aug 17 11.05am
I think people are just angry, angry that someone has come to Palace and is trying to change our DNA (wtf). Someone needs to explain to FDB that we have a proud tradition at Palace and our DNA is just fine. We love aimless floated balls by CB's that can't play football to a striker in the hope he knocks it down to another Palace player, or defending for our lives in the hope we can counter attack. Ffs one game it has been one game.
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ipswich 18 Aug 17 11.05am

I think people are just angry, angry that someone has come to Palace and is trying to change our DNA (wtf).
Someone needs to explain to FDB that we have a proud tradition at Palace and our DNA is just fine. We love aimless floated balls by CB's that can't play football to a striker in the hope he knocks it down to another Palace player, or defending for our lives in the hope we can counter attack.
Ffs one game it has been one game.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Aug 17 11.28am
Originally posted by lefty27 I think people are just angry, angry that someone has come to Palace and is trying to change our DNA (wtf). Someone needs to explain to FDB that we have a proud tradition at Palace and our DNA is just fine. We love aimless floated balls by CB's that can't play football to a striker in the hope he knocks it down to another Palace player, or defending for our lives in the hope we can counter attack. Ffs one game it has been one game. That wasn't the football we played under Sam. What we have definitely missed for years is a number 10 and 100% concentration and faultless defending, not a formation change that doesn't suit our players and requires 6+ players. Incidentally the player receiving the knock down we don't even have. Attacking mid/number 10, whoever. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 Aug 17 11.28am

Originally posted by lefty27

That wasn't the football we played under Sam. What we have definitely missed for years is a number 10 and 100% concentration and faultless defending, not a formation change that doesn't suit our players and requires 6+ players.

Incidentally the player receiving the knock down we don't even have. Attacking mid/number 10, whoever.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 18 Aug 17 11.35am
Originally posted by lefty27 I think people are just angry, angry that someone has come to Palace and is trying to change our DNA (wtf). Someone needs to explain to FDB that we have a proud tradition at Palace and our DNA is just fine. We love aimless floated balls by CB's that can't play football to a striker in the hope he knocks it down to another Palace player, or defending for our lives in the hope we can counter attack. Ffs one game it has been one game. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm sure many other as well, this has nothing to do with so-called "DNA", it's about changing overnight to a system that we are patently unfitted for and do not currently have the funds to employ the personnel to make it work. I couldn't give a flying what bloody formation we play as long as it produces points on the board, and it's clear this isn't going to work anytime soon with the squad we have. As for the "one game" argument I, amongst many others, expressed an immediate concern about Frank's plans the day he arrived and nothing I've seen in pre-season or on Saturday has changed my mind. His pronouncement to the CA "I am very fond of 4-3-3 which I have played in all my life, but on the other side you have to look at your squad and I think that right now 3-4-3 is the best system" has all the hallmarks of someone who's been smoking some of Amsterdam's finest. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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bexleydave

Barnehurst 18 Aug 17 11.35am

Originally posted by lefty27

As far as I'm concerned, and I'm sure many other as well, this has nothing to do with so-called "DNA", it's about changing overnight to a system that we are patently unfitted for and do not currently have the funds to employ the personnel to make it work. I couldn't give a flying what bloody formation we play as long as it produces points on the board, and it's clear this isn't going to work anytime soon with the squad we have.

As for the "one game" argument I, amongst many others, expressed an immediate concern about Frank's plans the day he arrived and nothing I've seen in pre-season or on Saturday has changed my mind. His pronouncement to the CA "I am very fond of 4-3-3 which I have played in all my life, but on the other side you have to look at your squad and I think that right now 3-4-3 is the best system" has all the hallmarks of someone who's been smoking some of Amsterdam's finest.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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