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Originally posted by Jway89

I'm all for giving players and managers a chance, but, I knew this wouldn't work. I'm not saying that FdB is a bad manager, but to come to a club and a team that is only set up for quick counter and long ball and think you can turn us into Barcelona is folly.
I like Steve Parish and he does have the best interests of the club at heart, but, he as with so many deluded owners, the West Ham jokers spring to mind, have fallen for this beautiful football crap. I'm not a season ticket holder but went to the Spurs game at home where we lost 3-1 in the end at home. We fought and had some chances, but lost. Even when 3-1 down the stadium was buzzing and singing.
We need a manager that gets the best out of our players. Pulis was brilliant and the biggest mistake Parish made in not keeping him. Sam was great. I would like to see Hodgson and maybe Moyes or Dyche after him. That's what we are, why not accept it?

Yeah tell the owners of Southampton how stupid they were to fall for all that "beautiful football crap".

 


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Originally posted by Mstrobez

Yeah tell the owners of Southampton how stupid they were to fall for all that "beautiful football crap".

Similar to Swansea, Southampton did it from the 3rd tier. Keep with the ball, 2 CB's go near the corners of the box and full backs hug the touch line a bit further forward.

Oh and they assembled the squad to do it, whereas Frank decided to do it before assessing if it was possible.

 


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Originally posted by Mstrobez

Yeah tell the owners of Southampton how stupid they were to fall for all that "beautiful football crap".

Tbf They had the background set up, the youth, the mind set and the scouts to make it happen as mentioned before and Parish has only had five years scratching his bad haircut doing his best Homer Simpson Chairman impression. Early days.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Similar to Swansea, Southampton did it from the 3rd tier. Keep with the ball, 2 CB's go near the corners of the box and full backs hug the touch line a bit further forward.

Oh and they assembled the squad to do it, whereas Frank decided to do it before assessing if it was possible.

I think me and you agree on more than you realise but for some reason you seem intent on coming for me today. I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying, I'm challenging the directness and conviction of the black and white sweeping statements so many people are throwing out at this moment in time.

 


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Originally posted by Kermit8

Tbf They had the background set up, the youth, the mind set and the scouts to make it happen as mentioned before and Parish has only had five years scratching his bad haircut doing his best Homer Simpson Chairman impression. Early days.

I can't disagree with it but one struggles to think of how we can realistically obtain sustainability in the Premier League without progressing the style of play. I think people massively underestimate the rarity of the Pulises and Sams of this world and once they're off, trying to recreate what they did is only going to lead to stagnation eventually. I don't care how much we may hate Pulis, defensively he is possibly the best manager in the world and I genuinely mean that. Putting off the inevitable, when our style of play and personnel is simply not upto scratch may appease fans in the short term. But for the sake of long term success - which for us is sustaining our status as a premier league club, refusing to try something new when we have been on the edge for years is suicidal.

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Originally posted by Mstrobez

Really? Support their team? The abuse I read on Franks Instagram account after the Huddersfield game is the complete opposite of support. Booing the team at Selhurst who are trying their best to adapt to a completely new system whilst consciously undermining any attempt of success within it is the complete opposite of support. Writing off a manager after 3 PL games who has showed the fans respect in his interviews, adapted his system against Liverpool to be more defensive and also doing his best to make us a better club is the complete opposite of support. "Having an opinion" as you put it is your right as a paying fan, but don't give me the bollox that you're a supporter when you seek nothing but to use your opinion to completely undermine the attempt of progress after 3 premier league games. That is different to an opinion and it does nothing but diminish our prospects of any success even further and that is, again, the complete opposite of "support".

Edited by Mstrobez (28 Aug 2017 8.44pm)

That's all well and good but if his idea of showing the fans respect is going back on his word to 'change things gradually' or 'results over style' then I'm sorry but that's not respecting the fans, club, or the point.

Saying the fans are loud and sing a lot is one thing and fine, but pitch one thing when ready in an interview and then shoehorn players into a formation they're unsuited to isn't showing us any respect and actually shows naivety, lacking any respect or preparation for this league.

He still may have time if the meeting has gone okay but the way he's gone about this and been shown up could've been avoided if he'd been as humble as he allegedly was meeting with parish when he was looking to get into this division.

I suppose you won't see this either.

 


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Originally posted by Mstrobez

I think me and you agree on more than you realise but for some reason you seem intent on coming for me today. I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying, I'm challenging the directness and conviction of the black and white sweeping statements so many people are throwing out at this moment in time.

Because you seem to defend the man and blame all of us but then not defend him. All a bit odd. He has gone about this really badly for a man new in a league and country and barely knowing the players either.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

That's all well and good but if his idea of showing the fans respect is going back on his word to 'change things gradually' or 'results over style' then I'm sorry but that's not respecting the fans, club, or the point.

Saying the fans are loud and sing a lot is one thing and fine, but pitch one thing when ready in an interview and then shoehorn players into a formation they're unsuited to isn't showing us any respect and actually shows naivety, lacking any respect or preparation for this league.

He still may have time if the meeting has gone okay but the way he's gone about this and been shown up could've been avoided if he'd been as humble as he allegedly was meeting with parish when he was looking to get into this division.

I suppose you won't see this either.

So you don't think he didn't fundamentally change his style when we played Liverpool away? Played more long balls than when we went their win Big Sam from what I was watching!

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Because you seem to defend the man and blame all of us but then not defend him. All a bit odd. He has gone about this really badly for a man new in a league and country and barely knowing the players either.

I'm not but my point is hounding the team and manager after 3 games of PL football turns what may be a 90% chance of failure in some fans head to a guaranteed failure. I've said and will maintain that if as fans we don't support what the team is trying to do, it doesn't matter what system we play with - it will never succeed because it undermines the attempt to do it completely.

 


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Originally posted by Mstrobez

So you don't think he didn't fundamentally change his style when we played Liverpool away? Played more long balls than when we went their win Big Sam from what I was watching!

It was more promising than Huddersfield that's for sure.

But at Liverpool I was surprised of their instructions not to high press. Instead they timed the moment to kill our moves dead and win the ball back with ease just at the start of their 3rd. It was a decent away performance but that was helped by the mediocre Liverpool team on the day.

Versus Swansea I noticed how when a move broke down it was not in dangerous areas but 25 yards from their goal. What I heard were Spurs types 'ohhhhs' 'arrrrghs'. I don't expect us to score on every move but where I think we might be going a bit wrong or limiting our effectiveness is only getting an attack together when there's 10 opposition behind the ball. This is unnecessary in any formation and shows a significant slowing down in play. Compare this to the 2nd half and the up in tempo.

Where I got Frank's comment on courage was when there was either an obvious space for a player to move into and receive a pass and where also a player was standing waiting for it. This was often Wardy waiting for it high up but team knowing he's limited, or PVA being a frustratingly useless Dutchman in a 3 at the back formation, unable to pass it or show for it.

So I am watching and seeing it's not only leaving us vulnerable at fullback defending if not all behind the ball but also not using the spaces made out wide, mainly because we don't have the players out wide on the right or PVA has a problem in his head or body.

 


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Originally posted by NickinOX

I don't get why so many people on these boards are focused on one person as though changing him would solve a long term deeper issue.

Our record (and it needs to be said again) without Sahko was awful. Sam averaged 0.85 points a game despite spending 30m. That is 32 points over a whole season.

Sam Allardyce, who is supposedly streaks ahead of FDB was in relegation form with the exception of one player (who is no longer at the club). That should speak volumes to supporters.

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

It was more promising than Huddersfield that's for sure.

But at Liverpool I was surprised of their instructions not to high press. Instead they timed the moment to kill our moves dead and win the ball back with ease just at the start of their 3rd. It was a decent away performance but that was helped by the mediocre Liverpool team on the day.

Versus Swansea I noticed how when a move broke down it was not in dangerous areas but 25 yards from their goal. What I heard were Spurs types 'ohhhhs' 'arrrrghs'. I don't expect us to score on every move but where I think we might be going a bit wrong or limiting our effectiveness is only getting an attack together when there's 10 opposition behind the ball. This is unnecessary in any formation and shows a significant slowing down in play. Compare this to the 2nd half and the up in tempo.

Where I got Frank's comment on courage was when there was either an obvious space for a player to move into and receive a pass and where also a player was standing waiting for it. This was often Wardy waiting for it high up but team knowing he's limited, or PVA being a frustratingly useless Dutchman in a 3 at the back formation, unable to pass it or show for it.

So I am watching and seeing it's not only leaving us vulnerable at fullback defending if not all behind the ball but also not using the spaces made out wide, mainly because we don't have the players out wide on the right or PVA has a problem in his head or body.

Gotta say Van Aanholt has looked very poor so far this season but Ive never really been convinced by Schlupps positioning etc either. Both a bit headless chicken types. Can't be the only one who actually think a fully fit Souare is actually the best left back at the club.

That mediocre Liverpool team just smashed Arsenal 4-0 at Anfield though, so it shows what a Klopp side is capable of if you completely refuse to adapt.

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