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Andy_G Wimbledon 07 Sep 17 11.18am
Originally posted by Nobbybm What Rachid said. Not such a different start & we had already had over 6 months of dross the previous season (FA cup aside). There was far less anger then. Edited by Nobbybm (07 Sep 2017 8.20am) I think fans are sick of how sh*t is been for 18 months and FdB is being given no latitude. I know for me I have had enough of watching us lose at home every week. Adding in FdBs absurd tactics and you get a angry atmosphere. The ups and downs of Palace have left me older than my years
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Andy_G

Wimbledon 07 Sep 17 11.18am

Originally posted by Nobbybm

What Rachid said. Not such a different start & we had already had over 6 months of dross the previous season (FA cup aside).

There was far less anger then.

Edited by Nobbybm (07 Sep 2017 8.20am)

I think fans are sick of how sh*t is been for 18 months and FdB is being given no latitude. I know for me I have had enough of watching us lose at home every week. Adding in FdBs absurd tactics and you get a angry atmosphere.

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dreamwaverider London 07 Sep 17 12.07pm
Originally posted by Spiderman What I meant was, maybe it was the Americans who wanted a "big name". Well FdB wasn't the only 'big' name out there. We really dragged our heels with the appointment and clearly did not consider things properly. I hope Frank accepts our current failings and reverts to 433 on sunday and we win the match. That will at least be a springboard for Zaha and Sakho to come back to. 343 needs to be unceremoniously dumped and thrown in the bin if we want to stay up this season. Time is critical now.
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Originally posted by Spiderman

What I meant was, maybe it was the Americans who wanted a "big name".

Well FdB wasn't the only 'big' name out there. We really dragged our heels with the appointment and clearly did not consider things properly.
I hope Frank accepts our current failings and reverts to 433 on sunday and we win the match. That will at least be a springboard for Zaha and Sakho to come back to.
343 needs to be unceremoniously dumped and thrown in the bin if we want to stay up this season. Time is critical now.

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berlinpalace berlin 07 Sep 17 12.28pm
Originally posted by dreamwaverider Well FdB wasn't the only 'big' name out there. We really dragged our heels with the appointment and clearly did not consider things properly. I hope Frank accepts our current failings and reverts to 433 on sunday and we win the match. That will at least be a springboard for Zaha and Sakho to come back to. 343 needs to be unceremoniously dumped and thrown in the bin if we want to stay up this season. Time is critical now. No, time is not yet 'critical'. Even if we lose this weekend we'll probably still be 4 points off tenth with 34 games to make it up in.
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berlin 07 Sep 17 12.28pm

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

No, time is not yet 'critical'. Even if we lose this weekend we'll probably still be 4 points off tenth with 34 games to make it up in.

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Tommyp151211 07 Sep 17 1.03pm
I don't buy into the stories that he'll be sacked if we lose on Sunday. As long as we kick the ball in the correct general direction FDB will quite rightly live to fight another day. We will win on Sunday.
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Tommyp151211

07 Sep 17 1.03pm

I don't buy into the stories that he'll be sacked if we lose on Sunday.

As long as we kick the ball in the correct general direction FDB will quite rightly live to fight another day.

We will win on Sunday.

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EagleEssex Essex 07 Sep 17 1.20pm
Originally posted by miles18 Parish didn't give a s*** when Pardew couldn't win a football match. Why is FDB not being given the same amount of time? Completely different. Pardew saved us from relegation in his first season and guided us to an 10th place finish. In his second season we got off to a great start and were well in the top half of the table at Christmas. The wheels fell off in the second half of the season and we went on a bad run, but he still got us to the FA Cup Final. The bad run continued until his 3rd season but at his time of sacking, we still had points on the board and were NOT in the relegation zone. For that reason Parish was justified not to wield the axe because of past success under Pardew. FDB is unproved in the premier league and was a flop in Italy so its a completely difference scenario. That said I think he ought to be given more time, at least another 3 games.
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Essex 07 Sep 17 1.20pm

Originally posted by miles18

Parish didn't give a s*** when Pardew couldn't win a football match.

Why is FDB not being given the same amount of time?

Completely different.
Pardew saved us from relegation in his first season and guided us to an 10th place finish.
In his second season we got off to a great start and were well in the top half of the table at Christmas. The wheels fell off in the second half of the season and we went on a bad run, but he still got us to the FA Cup Final. The bad run continued until his 3rd season but at his time of sacking, we still had points on the board and were NOT in the relegation zone.
For that reason Parish was justified not to wield the axe because of past success under Pardew.
FDB is unproved in the premier league and was a flop in Italy so its a completely difference scenario.
That said I think he ought to be given more time, at least another 3 games.

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CrazyBadger Online Ware 07 Sep 17 2.06pm
The way I see it, the Crux of the matter is The 'Evolution/Revolution' Comment. one of FdBs more famous comments was 'Evolution not Revolution' and it's easy to see how SP would have bought into that idea. It was obvious Parish fell for FdB and his promise of more expansive, Totalfootball. If this is the way FdB sold himself and the plan for the club, then Parish has a right to be aggrieved with the way things have started. Plunging the Players at his disposal into a 3-4-3 that they were not ready for. That's not evolving a squad, that's deep-end sink or swim stuff. If SP has indeed agreed with FdB to return to a 4-3-3, then to me that is a sensible thing he has done. Force an Evolution over the Revolution whilst keeping FdB's desire to change things as the end goal. It's in FdB's court now to Prove he has the acumen to implement a slower change. I'm not going to comment on The Transfer dealings other than to say that we have no idea who we were/were not in for(except Niasse, who could have been 3rd/4th/5th choice for all we know) . It seemed that we wanted a lot of players that went elsewhere for reasons unknown. I'm not about to speculate any further. Overall, Hopefully this is SP reigning in his manager after a rather brash opening, If they work together and keep pushing each other, then we could end up exactly where we want to be. fight as they are(if you beleive the rumours and media - I do not), then getting rid is the only way to avoid relegation. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 07 Sep 17 2.06pm

The way I see it, the Crux of the matter is The 'Evolution/Revolution' Comment. one of FdBs more famous comments was 'Evolution not Revolution' and it's easy to see how SP would have bought into that idea.

It was obvious Parish fell for FdB and his promise of more expansive, Totalfootball. If this is the way FdB sold himself and the plan for the club, then Parish has a right to be aggrieved with the way things have started.
Plunging the Players at his disposal into a 3-4-3 that they were not ready for. That's not evolving a squad, that's deep-end sink or swim stuff.

If SP has indeed agreed with FdB to return to a 4-3-3, then to me that is a sensible thing he has done. Force an Evolution over the Revolution whilst keeping FdB's desire to change things as the end goal. It's in FdB's court now to Prove he has the acumen to implement a slower change.

I'm not going to comment on The Transfer dealings other than to say that we have no idea who we were/were not in for(except Niasse, who could have been 3rd/4th/5th choice for all we know) . It seemed that we wanted a lot of players that went elsewhere for reasons unknown. I'm not about to speculate any further.

Overall, Hopefully this is SP reigning in his manager after a rather brash opening, If they work together and keep pushing each other, then we could end up exactly where we want to be.
fight as they are(if you beleive the rumours and media - I do not), then getting rid is the only way to avoid relegation.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Willo Online South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Sep 17 2.10pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger The way I see it, the Crux of the matter is The 'Evolution/Revolution' Comment. one of FdBs more famous comments was 'Evolution not Revolution' and it's easy to see how SP would have bought into that idea. It was obvious Parish fell for FdB and his promise of more expansive, Totalfootball. If this is the way FdB sold himself and the plan for the club, then Parish has a right to be aggrieved with the way things have started. Plunging the Players at his disposal into a 3-4-3 that they were not ready for. That's not evolving a squad, that's deep-end sink or swim stuff. If SP has indeed agreed with FdB to return to a 4-3-3, then to me that is a sensible thing he has done. Force an Evolution over the Revolution whilst keeping FdB's desire to change things as the end goal. It's in FdB's court now to Prove he has the acumen to implement a slower change. I'm not going to comment on The Transfer dealings other than to say that we have no idea who we were/were not in for(except Niasse, who could have been 3rd/4th/5th choice for all we know) . It seemed that we wanted a lot of players that went elsewhere for reasons unknown. I'm not about to speculate any further. Overall, Hopefully this is SP reigning in his manager after a rather brash opening, If they work together and keep pushing each other, then we could end up exactly where we want to be. fight as they are(if you beleive the rumours and media - I do not), then getting rid is the only way to avoid relegation. Do you firmly believe that Steve goes into detail about formations with FDB and tells him to play 4-3-3, 4-5-1, etc etc ? Interestingly Burnley have been known to play a 2 man strike force and it has been said that 3 at the back is well-equipped to deal with such a formation.Someone has just sent me this : A great example of the dilemma for managers who want to play a three-man defence. That system can work well, but generally only against a two-man strikeforce. Edited by Willo (07 Sep 2017 2.15pm)
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Willo Online

South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Sep 17 2.10pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

If SP has indeed agreed with FdB to return to a 4-3-3, then to me that is a sensible thing he has done. Force an Evolution over the Revolution whilst keeping FdB's desire to change things as the end goal. It's in FdB's court now to Prove he has the acumen to implement a slower change.

Do you firmly believe that Steve goes into detail about formations with FDB and tells him to play 4-3-3, 4-5-1, etc etc ?

Interestingly Burnley have been known to play a 2 man strike force and it has been said that 3 at the back is well-equipped to deal with such a formation.Someone has just sent me this :

A great example of the dilemma for managers who want to play a three-man defence. That system can work well, but generally only against a two-man strikeforce.

Edited by Willo (07 Sep 2017 2.15pm)

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CrazyBadger Online Ware 07 Sep 17 2.21pm
Originally posted by Willo Do you firmly believe that Steve goes into detail about formations with FDB and tells him to play 4-3-3, 4-5-1, etc etc ? Interestingly Burnley have been known to play a 2 man strike force and it has been said that 3 at the back is well-equipped to deal with such a formation.Someone has just sent me this : A great example of the dilemma for managers who want to play a three-man defence. That system can work well, but generally only against a two-man strikeforce. Edited by Willo (07 Sep 2017 2.15pm) I was just commenting on what others have said/reported. I do not believe that they have talked formations. I guess my point was that If Parish is trying to slow the Revolution it can only be a good thing - and exactly what he should be doing at this stage. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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CrazyBadger Online

Ware 07 Sep 17 2.21pm

Originally posted by Willo

Do you firmly believe that Steve goes into detail about formations with FDB and tells him to play 4-3-3, 4-5-1, etc etc ?

Interestingly Burnley have been known to play a 2 man strike force and it has been said that 3 at the back is well-equipped to deal with such a formation.Someone has just sent me this :

A great example of the dilemma for managers who want to play a three-man defence. That system can work well, but generally only against a two-man strikeforce.

Edited by Willo (07 Sep 2017 2.15pm)

I was just commenting on what others have said/reported. I do not believe that they have talked formations.
I guess my point was that If Parish is trying to slow the Revolution it can only be a good thing - and exactly what he should be doing at this stage.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Sep 17 2.24pm
Originally posted by Willo Do you firmly believe that Steve goes into detail about formations with FDB and tells him to play 4-3-3, 4-5-1, etc etc ? Interestingly Burnley have been known to play a 2 man strike force and it has been said that 3 at the back is well-equipped to deal with such a formation.Someone has just sent me this : A great example of the dilemma for managers who want to play a three-man defence. That system can work well, but generally only against a two-man strikeforce. Edited by Willo (07 Sep 2017 2.15pm) It's a good point but rarely do teams have both strikers pushing so high. One usually drops off or there's a gaping hole for Luka to pick the ball up all day long, instead of the 2nd striker, which is probably what he'll do. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 07 Sep 17 2.24pm

Originally posted by Willo

Do you firmly believe that Steve goes into detail about formations with FDB and tells him to play 4-3-3, 4-5-1, etc etc ?

Interestingly Burnley have been known to play a 2 man strike force and it has been said that 3 at the back is well-equipped to deal with such a formation.Someone has just sent me this :

A great example of the dilemma for managers who want to play a three-man defence. That system can work well, but generally only against a two-man strikeforce.

Edited by Willo (07 Sep 2017 2.15pm)

It's a good point but rarely do teams have both strikers pushing so high. One usually drops off or there's a gaping hole for Luka to pick the ball up all day long, instead of the 2nd striker, which is probably what he'll do.

COYP

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Lyons550 Shirley 07 Sep 17 2.27pm
What baffles me at the moment is that if FdB reverts to a 4-3-3...its exactly the system that he was successful with at Ajax...so why did he want to move straight to a 3-4-3? Or was he being influenced on what 'trendy' formation to play by others? The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 07 Sep 17 2.27pm

What baffles me at the moment is that if FdB reverts to a 4-3-3...its exactly the system that he was successful with at Ajax...so why did he want to move straight to a 3-4-3? Or was he being influenced on what 'trendy' formation to play by others?

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Sep 17 2.33pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 What baffles me at the moment is that if FdB reverts to a 4-3-3...its exactly the system that he was successful with at Ajax...so why did he want to move straight to a 3-4-3? Or was he being influenced on what 'trendy' formation to play by others? Yes. To not assess his own squad properly or at all before making the decision it looks so. Edited by Rudi Hedman (07 Sep 2017 3.16pm) COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 07 Sep 17 2.33pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

What baffles me at the moment is that if FdB reverts to a 4-3-3...its exactly the system that he was successful with at Ajax...so why did he want to move straight to a 3-4-3? Or was he being influenced on what 'trendy' formation to play by others?

Yes. To not assess his own squad properly or at all before making the decision it looks so.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (07 Sep 2017 3.16pm)

COYP

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Andy_G Wimbledon 07 Sep 17 2.42pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Yes. To not assess his own squad properly or at all before doing the decision it looks so. But it was stated I think by De Boer himself that he had evaluated the squad and decide 3-4-3 was the best formation.........The dude's a gonna it's only a matter of when. The ups and downs of Palace have left me older than my years
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Andy_G

Wimbledon 07 Sep 17 2.42pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes. To not assess his own squad properly or at all before doing the decision it looks so.

But it was stated I think by De Boer himself that he had evaluated the squad and decide 3-4-3 was the best formation.........The dude's a gonna it's only a matter of when.

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