What would be intelligent immigration policies?

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Sep 17 7.09pm
We need to recognise that refugee crises have to be dealt with locally because we cannot allow the inevitable endless and increasing stream of people into this country. That would threaten our own future as population increases. There will be casualties and it will be hard to accept, but that is the inevitable future of this planet. Immigration must be eased back to reduce the social time bomb that is already ticking. Too many immigrants lead to overcrowding and struggling infastructure that equals lower quality of life and increased friction and stress. The schisms in society that have begun to form around religion and ethnicity have to be given time to improve before we allow hundreds of thousand more to follow. The numbers must be calculated to allow a neutral birth rate that sustains the population but does not increase it significantly. The alternative is a disaster just around the corner.
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We need to recognise that refugee crises have to be dealt with locally because we cannot allow the inevitable endless and increasing stream of people into this country. That would threaten our own future as population increases. There will be casualties and it will be hard to accept, but that is the inevitable future of this planet.
Immigration must be eased back to reduce the social time bomb that is already ticking. Too many immigrants lead to overcrowding and struggling infastructure that equals lower quality of life and increased friction and stress.

The schisms in society that have begun to form around religion and ethnicity have to be given time to improve before we allow hundreds of thousand more to follow.
The numbers must be calculated to allow a neutral birth rate that sustains the population but does not increase it significantly. The alternative is a disaster just around the corner.

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Painter Croydon 08 Sep 17 7.24pm
Originally posted by Pete53 My concern with the large volumes of immigration over recent years is not so much about who the immigrants are, but just the sheer numbers and the effect on our environment this is having I believe that Britain is one of the most densely populated countries in Europe. When I was a young lad in the 1950s I recall our population was around 50 million. It is now somewhere in the region of 65 million. Such growth in numbers is resulting in an ever growing need for more space and in particular housing. Towns and cities keep on expanding with more congestion , more traffic, more pollution and a decline in the quality of life for many people. There is increasing pressure to find land to build housing on and green spaces that were previously protected are in danger of being opened up for development, with the resulting threat to wildlife, and a reduction in open spaces for people to enjoy. I just don't think we can go on shoehorning more and more people into the country without it having a seriously adverse effect on our surroundings and resources. You have the divisive political party to blame, luckily they don't get voted in that often, but the damage they cause effects future generations. Once you throw the door open its very hard to close it.
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Croydon 08 Sep 17 7.24pm

Originally posted by Pete53

My concern with the large volumes of immigration over recent years is not so much about who the immigrants are, but just the sheer numbers and the effect on our environment this is having

I believe that Britain is one of the most densely populated countries in Europe. When I was a young lad in the 1950s I recall our population was around 50 million. It is now somewhere in the region of 65 million.

Such growth in numbers is resulting in an ever growing need for more space and in particular housing. Towns and cities keep on expanding with more congestion , more traffic, more pollution and a decline in the quality of life for many people.

There is increasing pressure to find land to build housing on and green spaces that were previously protected are in danger of being opened up for development, with the resulting threat to wildlife, and a reduction in open spaces for people to enjoy.

I just don't think we can go on shoehorning more and more people into the country without it having a seriously adverse effect on our surroundings and resources.

You have the divisive political party to blame, luckily they don't get voted in that often, but the damage they cause effects future generations.
Once you throw the door open its very hard to close it.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Sep 17 7.38pm
Originally posted by Painter You have the divisive political party to blame, luckily they don't get voted in that often, but the damage they cause effects future generations. Once you throw the door open its very hard to close it. 9 reports suppressed by May when home sec that show how little immigration impacts on wages and jobs. [Link] I wonder why May didn't want the reports made public? Actually I don't. Edited by nickgusset (08 Sep 2017 7.40pm)
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Shizzlehurst 08 Sep 17 7.38pm

Originally posted by Painter

9 reports suppressed by May when home sec that show how little immigration impacts on wages and jobs.

[Link]

I wonder why May didn't want the reports made public? Actually I don't.

Edited by nickgusset (08 Sep 2017 7.40pm)

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Stirlingsays 08 Sep 17 7.46pm
Originally posted by nickgusset 9 reports suppressed by May when home sec that show how little immigration impacts on wages and jobs. [Link] I wonder why May didn't want the reports made public? Actually I don't. Edited by nickgusset (08 Sep 2017 7.40pm) What about the reports that say it does. The Bank of England also said it did. Then there is common sense..... To quote from the Bank of England study 2015. 'A 10 percentage point rise in the proportion of immigrants working in semi/unskilled services — that is, in care homes, bars, shops, restaurants, cleaning, for example — leads to a 1.88 per cent reduction in pay.' Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2017 7.54pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 Sep 17 7.46pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

9 reports suppressed by May when home sec that show how little immigration impacts on wages and jobs.

[Link]

I wonder why May didn't want the reports made public? Actually I don't.

Edited by nickgusset (08 Sep 2017 7.40pm)

What about the reports that say it does.
The Bank of England also said it did.
Then there is common sense.....

To quote from the Bank of England study 2015.

'A 10 percentage point rise in the proportion of immigrants working in semi/unskilled services — that is, in care homes, bars, shops, restaurants, cleaning, for example — leads to a 1.88 per cent reduction in pay.'

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2017 7.54pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Sep 17 7.54pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays What about the reports that say it does. The Bank of England also said it did. Then there is common sense..... You know that Nick would post links to the flat Earth website if Jeremy said it was true.
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Hrolf The Ganger

08 Sep 17 7.54pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What about the reports that say it does.
The Bank of England also said it did.
Then there is common sense.....

You know that Nick would post links to the flat Earth website if Jeremy said it was true.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Sep 17 8.25pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays What about the reports that say it does. The Bank of England also said it did. Then there is common sense..... To quote from the Bank of England study 2015. 'A 10 percentage point rise in the proportion of immigrants working in semi/unskilled services — that is, in care homes, bars, shops, restaurants, cleaning, for example — leads to a 1.88 per cent reduction in pay.' Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2017 7.54pm) According to someone on the wireless earlier, the bank of England one was the only one to say that it had a detrimental effect, but only in the sectors you mentioned. Can you find anything about other sectors in the BoE report? Companies corporations and neoliberal governments are the ones responsible for s*** pay. Immigration is a dead cat arguments. The dog whistle racism that's emerged over the last few years in the media is merely deflecting from the fact you and I are being fecked over by Lord Rothermore et al's mates.
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Shizzlehurst 08 Sep 17 8.25pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What about the reports that say it does.
The Bank of England also said it did.
Then there is common sense.....

To quote from the Bank of England study 2015.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2017 7.54pm)

According to someone on the wireless earlier, the bank of England one was the only one to say that it had a detrimental effect, but only in the sectors you mentioned.

Can you find anything about other sectors in the BoE report?

Companies corporations and neoliberal governments are the ones responsible for s*** pay. Immigration is a dead cat arguments. The dog whistle racism that's emerged over the last few years in the media is merely deflecting from the fact you and I are being fecked over by Lord Rothermore et al's mates.

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Stirlingsays 08 Sep 17 8.44pm
Originally posted by nickgusset According to someone on the wireless earlier, the bank of England one was the only one to say that it had a detrimental effect, but only in the sectors you mentioned. Can you find anything about other sectors in the BoE report? Companies corporations and neoliberal governments are the ones responsible for s*** pay. Immigration is a dead cat arguments. The dog whistle racism that's emerged over the last few years in the media is merely deflecting from the fact you and I are being fecked over by Lord Rothermore et al's mates. So if you don't like it....you're a racist....You heard it from Nick. I kind of reckon Nick is a double agent for the right. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

08 Sep 17 8.44pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

According to someone on the wireless earlier, the bank of England one was the only one to say that it had a detrimental effect, but only in the sectors you mentioned.

Can you find anything about other sectors in the BoE report?

So if you don't like it....you're a racist....You heard it from Nick.

I kind of reckon Nick is a double agent for the right.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Sep 17 8.54pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So if you don't like it....you're a racist....You heard it from Nick. I kind of reckon Nick is a double agent for the right. That's not what I meant. I said sections of the media inflame things to make things seem far far worse than they are.
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Shizzlehurst 08 Sep 17 8.54pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So if you don't like it....you're a racist....You heard it from Nick.

I kind of reckon Nick is a double agent for the right.

That's not what I meant. I said sections of the media inflame things to make things seem far far worse than they are.

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simlaboy coulsdon 08 Sep 17 9.06pm
Don't need the media to tell me, the construction industry is badly affected by immigration , check out outside Selco , Mitcham Rd any morning . Unless you're in a registered sector (Gas safe, NIECC) you've been f***ed over since Bliar opened the floodgates
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coulsdon 08 Sep 17 9.06pm

Don't need the media to tell me, the construction industry is badly affected by immigration , check out outside Selco , Mitcham Rd any morning . Unless you're in a registered sector (Gas safe, NIECC) you've been f***ed over since Bliar opened the floodgates

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hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Sep 17 10.13pm
Originally posted by nickgusset According to someone on the wireless earlier, the bank of England one was the only one to say that it had a detrimental effect, but only in the sectors you mentioned. Can you find anything about other sectors in the BoE report? Companies corporations and neoliberal governments are the ones responsible for s*** pay. Immigration is a dead cat arguments. The dog whistle racism that's emerged over the last few years in the media is merely deflecting from the fact you and I are being fecked over by Lord Rothermore et al's mates. Whose interests do the new left support these days? What possible reason would a white, heterosexual working person have to vote for them? Edited by hedgehog50 (08 Sep 2017 10.15pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 08 Sep 17 10.13pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

According to someone on the wireless earlier, the bank of England one was the only one to say that it had a detrimental effect, but only in the sectors you mentioned.

Can you find anything about other sectors in the BoE report?

Whose interests do the new left support these days? What possible reason would a white, heterosexual working person have to vote for them?

Edited by hedgehog50 (08 Sep 2017 10.15pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Sep 17 10.16pm
Originally posted by nickgusset According to someone on the wireless earlier, the bank of England one was the only one to say that it had a detrimental effect, but only in the sectors you mentioned. Can you find anything about other sectors in the BoE report? Companies corporations and neoliberal governments are the ones responsible for s*** pay. Immigration is a dead cat arguments. The dog whistle racism that's emerged over the last few years in the media is merely deflecting from the fact you and I are being fecked over by Lord Rothermore et al's mates. From the man who thinks that the housing shortage is caused only by not building enough houses and that Islamist terrorists are all our fault.
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Hrolf The Ganger

08 Sep 17 10.16pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

According to someone on the wireless earlier, the bank of England one was the only one to say that it had a detrimental effect, but only in the sectors you mentioned.

Can you find anything about other sectors in the BoE report?

From the man who thinks that the housing shortage is caused only by not building enough houses and that Islamist terrorists are all our fault.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Sep 17 10.28pm
Originally posted by simlaboy Don't need the media to tell me, the construction industry is badly affected by immigration , check out outside Selco , Mitcham Rd any morning . Unless you're in a registered sector (Gas safe, NIECC) you've been f*ed over since Bliar opened the floodgates Selco Selco It's where the slaves go I know and I agree. I heard the funny story about the Polish tradesmen complaining they were going to be undercut by Romanians. Many lefties and politicians don't care. Who cares if they make the wages they've driven down work with double, triple and quadruple or more the amount of people in any dwelling. COYP**
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Caterham 08 Sep 17 10.28pm

Originally posted by simlaboy

Selco Selco
It's where the slaves go

I know and I agree. I heard the funny story about the Polish tradesmen complaining they were going to be undercut by Romanians.

Many lefties and politicians don't care. Who cares if they make the wages they've driven down work with double, triple and quadruple or more the amount of people in any dwelling.

COYP

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