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View Curlyeagle 2's Profile Curlyeagle 2 Flag Crowborogh 17 Mar 19 6.40pm Send a Private Message to Curlyeagle 2 Add Curlyeagle 2 as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

How many other managers would have poked up with last three transfer windows and relative lack of control over transfers ?

Could not agree more. And this is the reason we are not in a position to cherry pick a replacement for Roy.

Mate of mine is an Ipswich fan and was saying this time last year they couldn’t wait for Mick Mcarthy to be replaced!!!

They got their wish and just look at the position they now find themselves in.

Like many I am an ambitious fan but Roy is steady and as frustrating as his tactics/decisions can be in my opinion he has not done to bad.

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 17 Mar 19 7.01pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Squad is laughably weak and lacking in balance. Also looking a bit old. But don't let that detract from blaming Roy. SP and the flaky Americans must be pissing themselves that they've got Roy copping it.

All we need is a striker my arse.

 

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jeeagles Flag 17 Mar 19 7.01pm

Originally posted by Curlyeagle 2

Could not agree more. And this is the reason we are not in a position to cherry pick a replacement for Roy.

Mate of mine is an Ipswich fan and was saying this time last year they couldn’t wait for Mick Mcarthy to be replaced!!!

They got their wish and just look at the position they now find themselves in.

Like many I am an ambitious fan but Roy is steady and as frustrating as his tactics/decisions can be in my opinion he has not done to bad.

I agree with you to an extent. I am concerned about who is available to replace Hodgson and the lack of money that has been made available.

I would say that Roy, Pardew (at Newcastle and Palace), and Big Mick all made the same mistake with transfers.

They are all pretty average managers with a limited shelf life. They all had good starts but didn't challenge the board for extra transfer money. Not getting in new talent is certainly a contributory factor in things become stale.

Big Sam and Pulis may have both left after not getting what they want, but I would like to see the manager be a bit firmer with the board to get new players in.

Hodgson has been our worst manager in the transfer market since we were promoted. He has not signed a single player that's become a first team regular.

I don't think Roy will kick up a fuss either as he knows if threatens to resign like Pulis or BFS then it's most likely that he'll be shown the door.

If Roy, Pardew, or McCarthy had kicked up a fuss when they had Palace/Newcastle/Ipswich playing well then their future career options would probably look brighter too.


 

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Originally posted by Vaibow

it's all about mindset.

8th is a better reward in terms of prize money.

8th is a better platform to build on in terms of finishing 14th

8th position each year could attract a certain type of player, than say 14th which is almost flirting with relegation.

looking up is far better than treading water.

The mindset at palace should be to get to 40 points at record speed each year, wether it's after 31 games, 30 games, that should always be the goal. It would show progress from escaping the relegation zone, it would also show progress in climbing up the table - but the beauty in that goal is it doesn't purposely state 'we don't want a relegation scrap' or 'we are in a relegation and need to look up' it also doesn't say 'we want a top 8 or 6 finish' it just states we want to do better each season, which is the ultimate goal for any club.

Parish, however doesn't have the funds to sustain the club in the prem - it gets better each year, the prem, stakes are higher each year and the small blinds, big blinds are the base line that parish can't keep up with. Any major investor will want to play the hand they are dealt with, which is probably why the americans want out as parish is holding their chips.... damn poker advert next to me has influenced by metaphors.

so by your own reconing...we are currently at our highest points tally for this stage in a PL season, bearing in mind we have had no fit strikers that means that so far this has been a successful season? right?

 


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Originally posted by jeeagles

I agree with you to an extent. I am concerned about who is available to replace Hodgson and the lack of money that has been made available.

I would say that Roy, Pardew (at Newcastle and Palace), and Big Mick all made the same mistake with transfers.

They are all pretty average managers with a limited shelf life. They all had good starts but didn't challenge the board for extra transfer money. Not getting in new talent is certainly a contributory factor in things become stale.

Big Sam and Pulis may have both left after not getting what they want, but I would like to see the manager be a bit firmer with the board to get new players in.

Hodgson has been our worst manager in the transfer market since we were promoted. He has not signed a single player that's become a first team regular.

I don't think Roy will kick up a fuss either as he knows if threatens to resign like Pulis or BFS then it's most likely that he'll be shown the door.

If Roy, Pardew, or McCarthy had kicked up a fuss when they had Palace/Newcastle/Ipswich playing well then their future career options would probably look brighter too.


A pair of slags who served their purpose. Know a Boro fan reckons their fans hate Pulis.

 

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jeeagles Flag 17 Mar 19 7.33pm

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

A pair of slags who served their purpose. Know a Boro fan reckons their fans hate Pulis.

Fair point, excellently made.

Last year they loved Pulis at Boro.
This year they are fed up.

I think it goes back to the limited shelf life these managers have and the need to keep things fresh.

If Pardew had left after his first (or second) season we would have thought of him differently.

Also, if Pardew and Hodgson had both left at the end of their first season, with the club in a decent position, it would be a lot easier to recruit a replacement.

 

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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

A pair of slags who served their purpose. Know a Boro fan reckons their fans hate Pulis.

Disagree, had we kept both I am sure that we wouldn’t be where we are now..... higher. Of course could be wrong but that’s my opinion.

 


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It’s not Roy making the transfers though is it?


Originally posted by jeeagles

I agree with you to an extent. I am concerned about who is available to replace Hodgson and the lack of money that has been made available.

I would say that Roy, Pardew (at Newcastle and Palace), and Big Mick all made the same mistake with transfers.

They are all pretty average managers with a limited shelf life. They all had good starts but didn't challenge the board for extra transfer money. Not getting in new talent is certainly a contributory factor in things become stale.

Big Sam and Pulis may have both left after not getting what they want, but I would like to see the manager be a bit firmer with the board to get new players in.

Hodgson has been our worst manager in the transfer market since we were promoted. He has not signed a single player that's become a first team regular.

I don't think Roy will kick up a fuss either as he knows if threatens to resign like Pulis or BFS then it's most likely that he'll be shown the door.

If Roy, Pardew, or McCarthy had kicked up a fuss when they had Palace/Newcastle/Ipswich playing well then their future career options would probably look brighter too.


 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 17 Mar 19 7.41pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by dynamicdick

Disagree, had we kept both I am sure that we wouldn’t be where we are now..... higher. Of course could be wrong but that’s my opinion.

Their previous records suggest we would be no better off in the table and probably skint.

 

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Looking at yesterday's game you have to wonder what was the thinking on the wings with Wilf injured and Sako cup tied ? If we wished to play with 2 wingers then slot AWB on the wing with Ward behind. Stick Bats and Tekkers up front, Kouyate and Luka in midfield. Whilst everybody might poo poo 442 for us at the moment might be a revelation. Overall where our season is heading it looks likely to be disappointing. With 2 dire teams this season and another straight up but with a lot to do, it clearly isn't going to be like that next season with the likes of Leeds, Norwich and Villa coming up. We talk about our counter attacking abilities but when you look at Wolves first season you have to think compared to us in our 6th season we haven't developed very well. Okay it is apples and pears due to finances but they look far more capable in their first PL season than we did, and more worringly us presently. Have to worry about us next season as there doesn't seem to be a lot of improvement in much of our squad, which also looks at the moment very disjointed and consequently unsure of what they are doing. Love to be looking forward but unless we try to move away from our rigidity and/or get some good quality playable talent into the squad think we will be more likely going backwards.

 


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Originally posted by Vaibow

it's all about mindset.

8th is a better reward in terms of prize money.

8th is a better platform to build on in terms of finishing 14th

8th position each year could attract a certain type of player, than say 14th which is almost flirting with relegation.

looking up is far better than treading water.

The mindset at palace should be to get to 40 points at record speed each year, wether it's after 31 games, 30 games, that should always be the goal. It would show progress from escaping the relegation zone, it would also show progress in climbing up the table - but the beauty in that goal is it doesn't purposely state 'we don't want a relegation scrap' or 'we are in a relegation and need to look up' it also doesn't say 'we want a top 8 or 6 finish' it just states we want to do better each season, which is the ultimate goal for any club.

Parish, however doesn't have the funds to sustain the club in the prem - it gets better each year, the prem, stakes are higher each year and the small blinds, big blinds are the base line that parish can't keep up with. Any major investor will want to play the hand they are dealt with, which is probably why the americans want out as parish is holding their chips.... damn poker advert next to me has influenced by metaphors.

8th position would be a good target but not sure how that equates to getting to 40 points quickly as a very good run at the death might lift you there. Personally I'd like us to be dominating more games, consequently making us more consistent and producing a good run in the PL. The number of games which we have been on top and comfortable this season have been very small.

Edited by Booted Eagle (17 Mar 2019 8.15pm)

 


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jeeagles Flag 17 Mar 19 8.32pm

Originally posted by Harry Beever


It’s not Roy making the transfers though is it?


No one seems to be sure on this point.

But if I didn't have the support in my job that I required, I'd kick up a fuss until I got it, or leave.

 

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