I agree it's been shambolic and Parish and players are still not guilt free. But if anyone says they feel sorry for Frank needs to look at what he said and what he did. This is a multi million pound sport and business, not to be played with. It's those who won't look beyond 'its 3 games' who cannot understand, or don't want to. Even Jason Cundy changed his mind from Monday nights 'The person who made decision to hire Frank should be sacked' to Tuesdays 'It sounds like Frank really wasn't getting on with people and it sounded like it was for the best and likely to happen anyway.' If Frank doesn't know yet in life you need cooperation and people you may not want or like to deliver some of what you need until you can get those who can then he either never will or will have to drop down to try it or learn again that that is how you conduct yourself.

I'm not happy about Roy but it should deliver enough at least. What I'm more concerned about is what are we doing about future departures and right now only 1 striker. As far as Frank goes I don't feel sorry for him whatsoever. Had his chance, thought he could do whatever he liked.

COYP

Agree. But the shambles started with hiring him. It was a coin toss at best, along with 1 left back, striker, keeper....

We're going to need a lot of luck over the next 2 years with injuries and ins and outs so he'd better have irons in the fire on new players or it's going to get really messy. But he's hired Freedman ffs.

COYP

Stop trying to fool us Roy.

You've repeatedly claimed you only lost 7 games in charge of England.

I've just looked it up and it is 9 (including penalty shoot-out defeat to Italy in Euro 2012).

What good does moaning do? He is here now so let's give the guy a chance

No one knows what happens behind closed doors and it winds me up that every time a manager is sacked/a player wants to leave etc etc. Everyone pipes up with an imaginary version of the events, usually a version of fabricated s*** originating from the Daily Mail or the Sun. It's never our fault is it Rudi? Always someone else's, all Franks fault. "Too cold" "too weird" "showing off". To me it just appears that the players have a poor attitude and need to have a long hard look at themselves tbh if the reports are true. They didn't have to like Frank, but he's been hired to do a job and they are obscenely paid footballers who should apply themselves and carry out what is being expected of them from the gaffer for a lot longer than 4 games.

We can say what we want about "behind closed doors" but no one knows what went on and what has just happened wouldn't of happened at any other club (and I know that because it's the shortest premier league reign in history). It's no coincidence that Frank de Boer came to Palace and left with that on his CV & for me it's a much bigger reflection on us as a club than it is him as a manager. I know people will be quick to tell me "I don't want to see" or whatever but I think in the footballing world in general you're massively in the minority and if this were to happen at Sunderland/Villa/Newcastle etc. I'd be looking on with the exact same contempt. Prime and extreme example of everything that's wrong with English football in 2017.

We're the Arthur over ere!

Maybe but Frank doesn't realise he needed some sh1t players till the next 1-3 windows. For that he's a fool.

COYP