How many times?

He promised ''gradual'' and 'results over style'' and went back on his word. Then there was the 3-4-3 debacle. All could've been tried over 2-3 windows like any sensible manager or sane person before any experience but he ploughed ahead to put himself in a risky position.

Any more times?

COYP

I've said this before. I think managers that get a response from their players are able to put an arm round them. Not come in, expect them to deliver what they can't because they're 6 players short, p1ss people off, then invite them back in a day or a week later because you've realised you do need them after all.

It's not only the bad players he's affected. What about Luka? Maybe he went to Delaney, or directly to Parish? Maybe that wasn't leaked and only the poor players were. Actually he wouldn't need to. Glaringly obvious Frank fvcked Luka pre season and start of season into a quarter of the player he was. Zaha's try at a clever message on twitter of 4-3-3 seems to have escaped attention.

You can criticise the board and the players as well as Frank but there's one thing they will do, and that's fight to stay in this league. They just need the right manager to do it who knows how to implement it. And while you're talking Cloughie, have you ever seen 'The Damned United'? Frank isn't that different to that. Just different time and tactics out and in.

COYP

The amount of people bemoaning Parish for sacking FDB is ridonkulous, the same people moaned at SP for not venting AP sooner than he did. Maybe he saw certain similarities, realised he made a mistake and thought "not this time".

I would like to point out, before you get all frothy at the mouth, that I to think the clubs management of transfers is beyond pathetic and reeks of panick buying, 28 million for Benteke ? and even worse 28 million for a defender that's not even fit enough to play. My point is a combined fee of nearly 60 million for Sakho and Benteke is very much Panick buying, and the only reason can be a piss poor scouting network and an utterly unfit for purpose transfer policy, and the buck for that stops with Parish, and in my book we have learnt nothing since the Hollaway debacle and that is the Boards fault.

However FDB was not the one. Everyone keeps going on about how well we played against Burnley....So fckin what it was Burnley not a team we should be losing to, as were Huddersfield, and Swansea.

Yes we were better, but we could hardly be any worse than against Huddersfield and Swansea. You can't seriously tell me that in all honesty, if we still had BFS as manager that we would have lost to Huddersfield, Swansea, or Burnley and it is feasible that we could have walked away from Anfield with a point, instead we have sweet f*** all points and the same amount of goals. First team since 1926 to not score in the top flight in their first 4 league games.

So in summary then:

Parish made a mistake, then rectified it. FDB poor man management and even poorer results.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

After 10 weeks+ planning he wouldn't have.

Instead Frank invited his opponents to watch and plan for his irresponsible shambles he couldn't deliver.

COYP

I'm talking about not losing 4 in a row, to nil. We had similar arguments with some members saying under Pardew we had no right to beat Burnley, hull, Swansea, any others. Well we shouldn't be losing to all of them and others. Anyway, situation was this:

Sam had to undo the squad that was Pardewed. When Frank took over he had pre season to prepare and a couple of holes to fill, and no pressure of prem results at the time to get it done. What Frank decided to do was create 6-7 holes to fill and play a handful of them in positions they wouldn't play in the league, thus damaging their performance, links in the team along with others who can't deliver in it anyway.

You must know all this. Maybe you don't see it or want to.

COYP

Allardyces first 7 games in charge;

Watford 1-1 Palace

Palace 1-2 Swansea

Bolton 0-0 Palace (league cup)

West Ham 3-0 Palace

Palace 2-1 Bolton (league cup)

Palace 0-1 Everton

Palace 0-3 City

But that's okay becsuse he's English and "knows the premier league init!" Although I remember some seriously suggesting at the start of his reign that he had taken the club to lower than Pardew depths.

In my opinion it's a lot more to do with being opposed to a different culture of football than many would like to admit. All this nonsense that foreign managers don't work but that theory has been obliterated too many times now for it to really be taken seriously.

Edited by Mstrobez (14 Sep 2017 6.47pm)

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