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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Sep 17 4.33pm
Originally posted by youngpalacefan111 precisely, why don't we let the chairmen who got us to the prem, and kept us in it for 5 years get on with his job and we just simply support the team like fans are supposed to do... We haven't stopped Parish doing his job. He's managed that by himself and frankly he should have either experienced advice or someone experienced calling it because each error added together is curtains. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 17 Sep 17 4.33pm

Originally posted by youngpalacefan111

precisely, why don't we let the chairmen who got us to the prem, and kept us in it for 5 years get on with his job and we just simply support the team like fans are supposed to do...

We haven't stopped Parish doing his job. He's managed that by himself and frankly he should have either experienced advice or someone experienced calling it because each error added together is curtains.

COYP

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Croydonlad sydenham 18 Sep 17 4.30am
Originally posted by Zschopautaler FDB for me every day. If he upset a few players then so be it. The so called Palace DNA has got to be changed. Leaving the midfield wide open and having everybody on the 18 yard line is not going to win you many games and is not entertaining. Really ? Its won us enough to keep us up for the past 4 years Lets see how we do this year after giving teams a 5 game start because of him
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Croydonlad

sydenham 18 Sep 17 4.30am

Originally posted by Zschopautaler

FDB for me every day. If he upset a few players then so be it. The so called Palace DNA has got to be changed. Leaving the midfield wide open and having everybody on the 18 yard line is not going to win you many games and is not entertaining.

Really ?
Its won us enough to keep us up for the past 4 years
Lets see how we do this year after giving teams a 5 game start because of him

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jeeagles 18 Sep 17 9.37am
I'm feeling a lot more positive after Saturday. It wasn't a game I'd usually expect anything from and we still looked like a team low on confidence, but we played well, created chances and had a lot more fight. It still seems like some things just aren't clicking and on occasions we are trying to force things a bit too much but that seems to be out of desperation and a temporary lack of confidence. Huddersfield in the league cup tomorrow plus the next 3 league can be treated almost like friendlies, if we get any points it will be a bonus (have they got midweek European fixtures?). The subsequent games v Newcastle and West Ham are far more important. We've still got Wilf and Sakho to come back.
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jeeagles

18 Sep 17 9.37am

I'm feeling a lot more positive after Saturday. It wasn't a game I'd usually expect anything from and we still looked like a team low on confidence, but we played well, created chances and had a lot more fight. It still seems like some things just aren't clicking and on occasions we are trying to force things a bit too much but that seems to be out of desperation and a temporary lack of confidence.

Huddersfield in the league cup tomorrow plus the next 3 league can be treated almost like friendlies, if we get any points it will be a bonus (have they got midweek European fixtures?). The subsequent games v Newcastle and West Ham are far more important.

We've still got Wilf and Sakho to come back.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 18 Sep 17 9.46am
Originally posted by Zschopautaler FDB for me every day. If he upset a few players then so be it. The so called Palace DNA has got to be changed. Leaving the midfield wide open and having everybody on the 18 yard line is not going to win you many games and is not entertaining. To be honest, from what I saw of de Boer's 'style' of football, I thought it was a total yawn-fest. Keeper to defender, to another defender, to another defender, to midfield, back to keeper and repeat. If that's 'possession football' then they can keep it. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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bexleydave

Barnehurst 18 Sep 17 9.46am

Originally posted by Zschopautaler

To be honest, from what I saw of de Boer's 'style' of football, I thought it was a total yawn-fest. Keeper to defender, to another defender, to another defender, to midfield, back to keeper and repeat. If that's 'possession football' then they can keep it.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Sep 17 9.52am
Originally posted by bexleydave To be honest, from what I saw of de Boer's 'style' of football, I thought it was a total yawn-fest. Keeper to defender, to another defender, to another defender, to midfield, back to keeper and repeat. If that's 'possession football' then they can keep it. A Birmingham supporter said to me the other day that Zola tried to get players to pass out from the back but that Birmingham never had the players to do so.When Zola joined Birmingham they were 8th, when he left they were 20th.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Sep 17 9.52am

Originally posted by bexleydave

A Birmingham supporter said to me the other day that Zola tried to get players to pass out from the back but that Birmingham never had the players to do so.When Zola joined Birmingham they were 8th, when he left they were 20th.

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Painter Croydon 18 Sep 17 10.06am
Originally posted by Willo A Birmingham supporter said to me the other day that Zola tried to get players to pass out from the back but that Birmingham never had the players to do so.When Zola joined Birmingham they were 8th, when he left they were 20th. What is it with these managers, trying to get there teams to play football.
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Painter

Croydon 18 Sep 17 10.06am

Originally posted by Willo

What is it with these managers, trying to get there teams to play football.

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Pigglelet Deepest Darkest Sussex 18 Sep 17 12.55pm
Originally posted by Willo A Birmingham supporter said to me the other day that Zola tried to get players to pass out from the back but that Birmingham never had the players to do so.When Zola joined Birmingham they were 8th, when he left they were 20th. Well at least our defenders have nearly mastered it. They always look as if they are about to pass out whenever the ball comes their way. "Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt." Mark Twain.
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Pigglelet

Deepest Darkest Sussex 18 Sep 17 12.55pm

Originally posted by Willo

Well at least our defenders have nearly mastered it. They always look as if they are about to pass out whenever the ball comes their way.

"Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."
Mark Twain.

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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 18 Sep 17 1.10pm
Originally posted by Painter I thought you were harsh on FDB, but you ultimately were proved right. I find this blaming of Parish and the board difficult to understand, they employ people to do a job, who on past record should be able to achieve this. Then Parish and Co get let down by the entire coaching team and players, how on earth is it their fault, they have purchased players in every window. The board have become a victim of their own success, let down by supposed football professionals. they employed FDB to do a job and didn't let him do it. Nothing can be achieved in four games. The fear of change in South London is rife
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Originally posted by Painter

I thought you were harsh on FDB, but you ultimately were proved right.
I find this blaming of Parish and the board difficult to understand, they employ people to do a job, who on past record should be able to achieve this. Then Parish and Co get let down by the entire coaching team and players, how on earth is it their fault, they have purchased players in every window.
The board have become a victim of their own success, let down by supposed football professionals.

they employed FDB to do a job and didn't let him do it. Nothing can be achieved in four games. The fear of change in South London is rife

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Tommyp151211 18 Sep 17 1.42pm
In answer to the original question, I'd have stuck with FDB.
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Tommyp151211

18 Sep 17 1.42pm

In answer to the original question, I'd have stuck with FDB.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Sep 17 2.05pm
Originally posted by Tommyp151211 In answer to the original question, I'd have stuck with FDB. I'd agree, for now, game by game basis. But we're not having to work with him and by all accounts it's not a very smooth experience. Then there's discarding players and calling them back in, plus lots more. If he had a fully equipped squad already there I think he might be okay. If at another club, after more of what we just saw. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 Sep 17 2.05pm

Originally posted by Tommyp151211

In answer to the original question, I'd have stuck with FDB.

I'd agree, for now, game by game basis. But we're not having to work with him and by all accounts it's not a very smooth experience. Then there's discarding players and calling them back in, plus lots more. If he had a fully equipped squad already there I think he might be okay. If at another club, after more of what we just saw.

COYP

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Tommyp151211 18 Sep 17 2.38pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I'd agree, for now, game by game basis. But we're not having to work with him and by all accounts it's not a very smooth experience. Then there's discarding players and calling them back in, plus lots more. If he had a fully equipped squad already there I think he might be okay. If at another club, after more of what we just saw. I don't blame him, I don't necessarily blame the players and I don't like to blame anyone. The one overwhelming constant however, is the board who I think has let fan expectation and the glamour of the Premier League go to their head and has clouded their judgment 100%.
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Tommyp151211

18 Sep 17 2.38pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I don't blame him, I don't necessarily blame the players and I don't like to blame anyone.

The one overwhelming constant however, is the board who I think has let fan expectation and the glamour of the Premier League go to their head and has clouded their judgment 100%.

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kevmason98 Sidcup 18 Sep 17 3.05pm
I don't post on here much, but heard Steve Parish interview last night and he is hurting as much as the rest of us. He was open and honest and also brave to come on to face the onslaught. We were unlucky not to score on Saturday (Forster had two goal bound shots hit him on various parts of the body that could have gone anywhere... but stayed out) and even unluckier not to score the week before. It's there fine margins that have caused almost hysteria around Selhurst Park. My opinion To me..... appointing Roy was the right decision. We could have waited, but it would have taken longer to get the spirit back........ I think we all agree that the passing football we were playing was very good, but we just didn't have the players to execute it at pace, under the pressure of other premiership players closing us down. Most of our goals against came from us giving the ball away under pressure. It's obvious to me that after 3 games we wouldn't win another playing like that and playing the formation we did against Burnley we would win most. If I can work that out then so can the players. If we go back to 4-3-3 we don't need De Boer because he's not used to playing like that. Roy (or Sam) are. And would be more experienced managers playing in that style. If you read the article below.. De Boer's man management skills were not conducive to a good team spirit. We've seen worse... most of the time. We've been better .. a few times... not may to be honest!! Remember we are still in the premiership ... we've got the best squad on paper we've ever had assembled at the club... EVER. We just need leadership and everyone pulling in the same direction.... and that includes US... we can play our part Saturday. We'll never know the full story, but let's get behind the team Saturday and get the place rocking again. And anyone who doesn't think Roy's methods for achieving results at this level are any good... his statistics are pretty conclusive and very consistent. It's a brave decision by our owners to make this decision so early, but the right one. We can help change the mood on the pitch by getting behind the team. I don't expect anything out of the next 3 games... if we get a point from those I will be happy. It's from the Newcastle game I am looking for points. We need leadership, organisation, a game plan and coaching drills to help the players execute the game plan on the pitch. We've been in this situation before and gotten out of it. Some stats about Roy... 35% - Roy Hodgson's win percentage as a Premier League manager. Blackburn 35% Fulham 34% Liverpool 35% West Brom 36%. Consistent. � OptaJoe (@OptaJoe) September 12, 2017 Article about management style and player confidence - [Link]
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kevmason98

Sidcup 18 Sep 17 3.05pm

I don't post on here much, but heard Steve Parish interview last night and he is hurting as much as the rest of us. He was open and honest and also brave to come on to face the onslaught.

We were unlucky not to score on Saturday (Forster had two goal bound shots hit him on various parts of the body that could have gone anywhere... but stayed out) and even unluckier not to score the week before.
It's there fine margins that have caused almost hysteria around Selhurst Park.

My opinion
To me..... appointing Roy was the right decision.
We could have waited, but it would have taken longer to get the spirit back........

I think we all agree that the passing football we were playing was very good, but we just didn't have the players to execute it at pace, under the pressure of other premiership players closing us down.
Most of our goals against came from us giving the ball away under pressure.
It's obvious to me that after 3 games we wouldn't win another playing like that and playing the formation we did against Burnley we would win most.
If I can work that out then so can the players.
If we go back to 4-3-3 we don't need De Boer because he's not used to playing like that.
Roy (or Sam) are.
And would be more experienced managers playing in that style.
If you read the article below.. De Boer's man management skills were not conducive to a good team spirit.

We've seen worse... most of the time.
We've been better .. a few times... not may to be honest!!

Remember we are still in the premiership ... we've got the best squad on paper we've ever had assembled at the club... EVER.
We just need leadership and everyone pulling in the same direction.... and that includes US... we can play our part Saturday.

We'll never know the full story, but let's get behind the team Saturday and get the place rocking again.

And anyone who doesn't think Roy's methods for achieving results at this level are any good... his statistics are pretty conclusive and very consistent.

It's a brave decision by our owners to make this decision so early, but the right one.

We can help change the mood on the pitch by getting behind the team.

I don't expect anything out of the next 3 games... if we get a point from those I will be happy.

It's from the Newcastle game I am looking for points.
We need leadership, organisation, a game plan and coaching drills to help the players execute the game plan on the pitch.
We've been in this situation before and gotten out of it.

Some stats about Roy...

35% - Roy Hodgson's win percentage as a Premier League manager.
Blackburn 35%
Fulham 34%
Liverpool 35%
West Brom 36%.
Consistent.
� OptaJoe (@OptaJoe) September 12, 2017

Article about management style and player confidence - [Link]

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