I think some of the people who believe in open borders are genuinely nice people. They want a better world and opportunities for all.....In a way I see their arguments the same way I view those who would ban abortion across the board (a decision I hold for myself but not others) and support nuclear unilateralism. These are not bad people....essentially it's dreamer idealism that takes no account of human nature. It's the 'All you need is love' and 'Imagine' stuff in Beatle songs.....It discounts reality....It's the playground without the bully.

I try to look at life objectivity and not pander to popular and cuddly positions which....when viewed objectivity result in worldviews I can't support.....But I understand that these are worldviews and not inherently right or wrong by themselves.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions......But what you might view as hell and what I might are probably two different things.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Sigh.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Its called John Lennon Syndrome !!

Pro USA & Israel

and as a male Manager of a female football team, you'd feel entitled to walk into the changing-room/shower facilities to talk to players

It smells 'fishy' to me,... (is it Mark Sampsons breath ?)

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (22 Sep 2017 8.12am)

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

As Orwell said"
"All political thinking for years past has been vitiated in the same way. People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome.!

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

He said it in a letter to the left wing 'Partisan Review' in 1944. The main point of the letter was him explaining how he got some things wrong in previous letters to the review before and during the war - honest analysis as usual with George. As well as the quote already cited, the letter also has:
"Appeasers, Popular Fronters, Communists, Trotskyists, Anarchists, pacifists, all claim - and in almost exactly the same tone of voice - that their prophecies and no others have been borne out by events. Particularly on the Left, political thought is a sort of masturbation fantasy in which the world of facts hardly matters."

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]