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wordup 26 Sep 17 1.00pm
Suddenly much cherished freedom of expression is bad or misguided when it's a bunch of blacks doing it? You have to laugh. Edited by wordup (26 Sep 2017 1.01pm)
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26 Sep 17 1.00pm

Suddenly much cherished freedom of expression is bad or misguided when it's a bunch of blacks doing it? You have to laugh.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Sep 17 1.03pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Is it time to stop playing national anthems before sporting events. It's usually just an excuse for fans to boo the opposition, or is used for political purposes - the absurd posturing by the NFL millionaires being the latest example. (What's the paint on their faces about by the way?) Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Sep 2017 8.47am) I guess this is all about the NFL and the peaceful, lawful, protest that a number of players have taken to highlight their position on police violence in the US, specifically against black people. I don't see what the problem is. Peaceful and dignified. Some people just take songs and bits of cloth far to seriously. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 26 Sep 17 1.03pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Is it time to stop playing national anthems before sporting events. It's usually just an excuse for fans to boo the opposition, or is used for political purposes - the absurd posturing by the NFL millionaires being the latest example. (What's the paint on their faces about by the way?)

Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Sep 2017 8.47am)

I guess this is all about the NFL and the peaceful, lawful, protest that a number of players have taken to highlight their position on police violence in the US, specifically against black people.

I don't see what the problem is. Peaceful and dignified. Some people just take songs and bits of cloth far to seriously.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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wordup 26 Sep 17 1.13pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I guess this is all about the NFL and the peaceful, lawful, protest that a number of players have taken to highlight their position on police violence in the US, specifically against black people. I don't see what the problem is. Peaceful and dignified. Some people just take songs and bits of cloth far to seriously. It's also worth stating that Colin Kaepernick who started that isn't being touched with a bargepool due to his politics, so again so much for freedom of expression. This is no better than the google guy getting the boot for his views something I was vermently against on here. Of course only genuine freedom of speech and expression advocates will view this as such. Not snake oil salesmen latching into movements that primarily fit around their favoured groups. You see them here. Transparent as it comes.
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26 Sep 17 1.13pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I guess this is all about the NFL and the peaceful, lawful, protest that a number of players have taken to highlight their position on police violence in the US, specifically against black people.

I don't see what the problem is. Peaceful and dignified. Some people just take songs and bits of cloth far to seriously.

It's also worth stating that Colin Kaepernick who started that isn't being touched with a bargepool due to his politics, so again so much for freedom of expression. This is no better than the google guy getting the boot for his views something I was vermently against on here.

Of course only genuine freedom of speech and expression advocates will view this as such. Not snake oil salesmen latching into movements that primarily fit around their favoured groups. You see them here. Transparent as it comes.

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 17 1.13pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I guess this is all about the NFL and the peaceful, lawful, protest that a number of players have taken to highlight their position on police violence in the US, specifically against black people. I don't see what the problem is. Peaceful and dignified. Some people just take songs and bits of cloth far to seriously. FIFA have banned political protest and with good reason. It has no place in sport. These players are abusing their position. Freedom to protest has never been entirely free and the level of disrespect toward the President is the worst I have ever seen. If you don't like the man, you still respect the office. This is identity politics/self-interest and nothing more. They are still bitter that Trump won. Try a protest at your workplace today and see where it gets you.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I guess this is all about the NFL and the peaceful, lawful, protest that a number of players have taken to highlight their position on police violence in the US, specifically against black people.

I don't see what the problem is. Peaceful and dignified. Some people just take songs and bits of cloth far to seriously.

FIFA have banned political protest and with good reason. It has no place in sport. These players are abusing their position. Freedom to protest has never been entirely free and the level of disrespect toward the President is the worst I have ever seen. If you don't like the man, you still respect the office. This is identity politics/self-interest and nothing more. They are still bitter that Trump won.

Try a protest at your workplace today and see where it gets you.

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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Sep 17 1.22pm
Originally posted by wordup Suddenly much cherished freedom of expression is bad or misguided when it's a bunch of blacks doing it? You have to laugh. Edited by wordup (26 Sep 2017 1.01pm) Nail on head. But for those that your salient point is directed at they are just not able to engage the old noggin with such truth, unfortunately. Nae mind. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 26 Sep 17 1.22pm

Originally posted by wordup

Suddenly much cherished freedom of expression is bad or misguided when it's a bunch of blacks doing it? You have to laugh.

Edited by wordup (26 Sep 2017 1.01pm)

Nail on head. But for those that your salient point is directed at they are just not able to engage the old noggin with such truth, unfortunately. Nae mind.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 26 Sep 17 1.25pm
The National Anthems at US Sports games have been played since 1860 something. My issue is that your hardly oppressed If your a Billionaire owner of an NFL team or a millionaire player with a NFL team. Also most if not all stadiums are paid for with tax dollars. They also get massive sponsorship & Tax breaks. If you want to protest do it in your own time & feel free to fund anyone politically with your own money. Most of this is left wing driven & I can recall people on the left a few years back mocking Tim Tebow (a white guy)who now plays for a Minor League Baseball side getting absolutely thrashed because after scoring would 'Take a knee & thank God' it didn't fit their narrative. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 26 Sep 17 1.25pm

The National Anthems at US Sports games have been played since 1860 something. My issue is that your hardly oppressed If your a Billionaire owner of an NFL team or a millionaire player with a NFL team. Also most if not all stadiums are paid for with tax dollars. They also get massive sponsorship & Tax breaks.
If you want to protest do it in your own time & feel free to fund anyone politically with your own money.
Most of this is left wing driven & I can recall people on the left a few years back mocking Tim Tebow (a white guy)who now plays for a Minor League Baseball side getting absolutely thrashed because after scoring would 'Take a knee & thank God' it didn't fit their narrative.

Pro USA & Israel

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Stirlingsays 26 Sep 17 1.27pm
Originally posted by wordup Suddenly much cherished freedom of expression is bad or misguided when it's a bunch of blacks doing it? You have to laugh. Edited by wordup (26 Sep 2017 1.01pm) ? This is criticism, not a discussion about people's rights being taken away.....When you pushed 'words as violence' that was what would happen legally. These individuals are allowed their expression. This is a talk about the actual consequences. No one will be arresting them. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Sep 17 1.27pm

Originally posted by wordup

Suddenly much cherished freedom of expression is bad or misguided when it's a bunch of blacks doing it? You have to laugh.

Edited by wordup (26 Sep 2017 1.01pm)

This is criticism, not a discussion about people's rights being taken away.....When you pushed 'words as violence' that was what would happen legally.

These individuals are allowed their expression. This is a talk about the actual consequences. No one will be arresting them.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 17 1.28pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Nail on head. But for those that your salient point is directed at they are just not able to engage the old noggin with such truth, unfortunately. Nae mind. So you would be happy if people could protest at football matches? Let's all think of something to protest about from the comfort of our multi-million dollar mansons. I know a white guy who got shot carrying out an armed robbery once. Maybe that. And my four wheel drive is not big enough while we are at it.
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Hrolf The Ganger

26 Sep 17 1.28pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Nail on head. But for those that your salient point is directed at they are just not able to engage the old noggin with such truth, unfortunately. Nae mind.

So you would be happy if people could protest at football matches?
Let's all think of something to protest about from the comfort of our multi-million dollar mansons.
I know a white guy who got shot carrying out an armed robbery once. Maybe that. And my four wheel drive is not big enough while we are at it.

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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Sep 17 1.30pm
As I was saying.... Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 26 Sep 17 1.30pm

As I was saying....

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 17 1.32pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 As I was saying.... So you want protests at football matches? How about in the office or on the building site?
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26 Sep 17 1.32pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

As I was saying....

So you want protests at football matches?

How about in the office or on the building site?

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PaddyMcPaddy 26 Sep 17 1.33pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So you would be happy if people could protest at football matches? Let's all think of something to protest about from the comfort of our multi-million dollar mansons. I know a white guy who got shot carrying out an armed robbery once. Maybe that. And my four wheel drive is not big enough while we are at it. So just say Harry Kane was to protest about the communism in the Labour party or Antifa at the next England game. Would you still have the same issue? Edited by PaddyMcPaddy (26 Sep 2017 1.33pm)
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26 Sep 17 1.33pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So just say Harry Kane was to protest about the communism in the Labour party or Antifa at the next England game. Would you still have the same issue?

Edited by PaddyMcPaddy (26 Sep 2017 1.33pm)

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wordup 26 Sep 17 1.33pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays ? This is criticism, not a discussion about people's rights being taken away.....When you pushed 'words as violence' that was what would happen legally. These individuals are allowed their expression. This is a talk about the actual consequences. No one will be arresting them. I didn't push 'words as violence' and have no idea what you're talking about. Carry on though, unhinged one.
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26 Sep 17 1.33pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This is criticism, not a discussion about people's rights being taken away.....When you pushed 'words as violence' that was what would happen legally.

These individuals are allowed their expression. This is a talk about the actual consequences. No one will be arresting them.

I didn't push 'words as violence' and have no idea what you're talking about. Carry on though, unhinged one.

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