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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Sep 17 8.10pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Totally agree Jim. Going to the moon was great as is satellite technology but beyond that what's the bloody point plus it is very expensive. We aren't going to escape to another planet when we finally finish fvcking this one up. That's it. Game over. Spend the dosh on the bettering lives on earth. Give some to Parish for January.

Are you serious?

The future of the human race might depend on space technology and we will be in a technology race with other countries, like it or not.

I suspect we have space technology far in advance of what is known. We went from a horse and cart to The Moon in 60 years and then very little advance for the next 40?
Doubtful.

We might have moon bases already and files hacked by Gary McKinnon from the Pentagon suggested that we have 'off world personnel'.
It would be great if it were true. Long live space exploration. Kirk out.

 

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 27 Sep 17 8.16pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

I'm not usually one to make appeals to our innate humanity, but for space exploration I make a notable exception.

The earliest question a child asks is 'why?'. The earliest, and most common theme in literature from all civilisations is the concept of home, and our continuing search for it. Space, and astronomy, have married these two questions together and produced knowledge which humbles and fascinates.

We once thought that home was a flat plain under heavenly skies. We now know that our planet is one of 9, in a solar system which is one of a hundred billion in a galaxy which itself is one of a potentially infinite number of others.

Our inquisitiveness has lead us to understanding that we are all star matter, produced 4 billion years ago when rocks collided to form earth. Our civilisation, just 10000 years in to discovering agriculture, will die out in a galactic blink of an eye, but by far the most significant relics any future society's will find of us is our understanding of the stars.

Questions which revolve around what use space has to us are ridiculous. What space has taught us, ultimately, is that all of our wars, kings, gods and cares are so inconsequential in comparison to the size, beauty and infinity of space. Trump can claim to be the most powerful man in existence, but one look through a telescope shows us how insignificant his power is.

Now for my political point

For all their faults, the Soviet Union did more for our appreciation and exploration of space than any other civilisation. I think their ideology of total humanism, of trying to expand the potential of human capabilities allowed its astronomists - who of course should be distinguished from its political leaders - the intellectual and material basis for seriously probing the cosmos. America, for all their celebration of reaching the moon first, drastically cut finances for NASA once the Cold War was over.

For me, space exploration should be the ultimate goal of our civilisation, something to unite around once automation has rid us of the need to work and abolished the need for economic inequality. Space has the capacity to humble us all, that for me is more than enough of a point.

Edited by serial thriller (27 Sep 2017 8.18pm)

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 27 Sep 17 8.17pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

This is one of my pet 'soap box' subjects. I don't know if space exploration is pointless, but in my opinion it's rubbish - I mean in terms of man himself going into space.

Facts.
In 60+ years of space travel, no man has yet ventured more than 250,000 miles from Earth, let alone got anywhere near our closest planetary neighbour.
Only 12 men have set foot on the Moon.
Half of those men have died, and the youngest one still alive is 81.
Even to get to Mars will require human endurance beyond anything yet attempted. Getting men to the outer solar system e.g. Jupiter will be beyond the capabilities of that endurance. Maybe we could freeze the astronauts - you know, like in 2001 A Space Odyssey (that went well).
Scientists like Hawking and Cox talking of man 'conquering space' one day are talking bullsh*t.

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Sep 17 8.25pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by YT

This is one of my pet 'soap box' subjects. I don't know if space exploration is pointless, but in my opinion it's rubbish - I mean in terms of man himself going into space.

Facts.
In 60+ years of space travel, no man has yet ventured more than 250,000 miles from Earth, let alone got anywhere near our closest planetary neighbour.
Only 12 men have set foot on the Moon.
Half of those men have died, and the youngest one still alive is 81.
Even to get to Mars will require human endurance beyond anything yet attempted. Getting men to the outer solar system e.g. Jupiter will be beyond the capabilities of that endurance. Maybe we could freeze the astronauts - you know, like in 2001 A Space Odyssey (that went well).
Scientists like Hawking and Cox talking of man 'conquering space' one day are talking bullsh*t.

Edited by YT (27 Sep 2017 8.18pm)

I certainly agree that our ambitions seem to be way out of line with what has been achieved.
Man can't survive in space for long periods outside the Van Allen Belt and I'm still puzzled as to how a Moon trip was even possible although that might just be my lack of knowledge.
Long distance travel is obviously out unless we have far more sophisticated technology and living on other planets is a pipe dream right now.

 

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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 27 Sep 17 8.27pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by YT

This is one of my pet 'soap box' subjects. I don't know if space exploration is pointless, but in my opinion it's rubbish - I mean in terms of man himself going into space.

Facts.
In 60+ years of space travel, no man has yet ventured more than 250,000 miles from Earth, let alone got anywhere near our closest planetary neighbour.
Only 12 men have set foot on the Moon.
Half of those men have died, and the youngest one still alive is 81.
Even to get to Mars will require human endurance beyond anything yet attempted. Getting men to the outer solar system e.g. Jupiter will be beyond the capabilities of that endurance. Maybe we could freeze the astronauts - you know, like in 2001 A Space Odyssey (that went well).
Scientists like Hawking and Cox talking of man 'conquering space' one day are talking bullsh*t.


You're missing the point. Exploration means that all of these problems can be solved by the continued pushing of our capabilities.

For example, the Chinese claim to have built the "impossible" space drive: a fuel-less system that would allow for infinite travel and - more importantly - stopping once you get where you're going, turning around and coming all the way back. Mars, for example, is much, much closer if you can accelerate all the way there and then hammer the brakes once you reach it - avoiding all those complicated gravity slingshots and the like as dramatised in "The Martian".

If we decide, "nah, never going to happen" well, it's never going to happen. But, like Mark Watney, you solve one problem and then the next and then the next...until you get to where you want to go and get to come back again (if you want).

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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wordup Flag 27 Sep 17 8.55pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Are you serious?

The future of the human race might depend on space technology and we will be in a technology race with other countries, like it or not.

I suspect we have space technology far in advance of what is known. We went from a horse and cart to The Moon in 60 years and then very little advance for the next 40?
Doubtful.

We might have moon bases already and files hacked by Gary McKinnon from the Pentagon suggested that we have 'off world personnel'.
It would be great if it were true. Long live space exploration. Kirk out.

Hrolf is right. We'd be foolish to remain on this little speck of dirt and not try to spread our wings to live out our full potential. It could ultimately mean the difference between our survival and demise.


 

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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 27 Sep 17 9.13pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by wordup

Hrolf is right. We'd be foolish to remain on this little speck of dirt and not try to spread our wings to live out our full potential. It could ultimately mean the difference between our survival and demise.

The Sun is going to explode. If we're still here, we're toast. Literally.

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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View martin2412's Profile martin2412 Flag Living The Dream 27 Sep 17 9.14pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

Isn't the next space exploration mission being funded by Arsenal, so that they can bring back some atmosphere ?

 

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chateauferret Flag 27 Sep 17 9.15pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I certainly agree that our ambitions seem to be way out of line with what has been achieved.

Mods, please move to Palace Talk.

 


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View martin2412's Profile martin2412 Flag Living The Dream 27 Sep 17 9.17pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

Mods, please move to Palace Talk.

Dops cap

 

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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 27 Sep 17 9.17pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by martin2412

Isn't the next space exploration mission being funded by Arsenal, so that they can bring back some atmosphere?

Not quite, they're still looking for Courtois' penalty.

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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.TUX. Flag 27 Sep 17 9.23pm

Pointless.

Those proposing life for humanity beyond this blue dot should look closer to home first.

 


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