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miles18 Flag Telford 01 Oct 17 7.42am

Parish.

 



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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 01 Oct 17 7.57am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by oldstand

Big Sam appears to avoid any criticism, his walk out has contributed to this mess. Bought players to get us over the line, not players to take us forward.

Sam (presumably Sam) recruited Schlupp at £13m, who many on here are now saying is useless. I don't read many plaudits for PVA either, who also wasn't cheap. I wonder what Pulis would have done with that sort of money?

 


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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 01 Oct 17 8.08am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Sam (presumably Sam) recruited Schlupp at £13m, who many on here are now saying is useless. I don't read many plaudits for PVA either, who also wasn't cheap. I wonder what Pulis would have done with that sort of money?

They both kept us up so there's probably little mileage in analysing 'oo did what to 'oo. We needed to address the LB position, and had done for some while, and that was sorted. It wasn't cheap, but it never is in January, especially when the selling clubs can smell your desperation, and most of us were happy with that at the time. We also got a decent DM and Sakho on loan. I doubt Pulis would have done much different, or better.

 


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Originally posted by miles18

Parish.

This - my "word" exactly.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 01 Oct 17 8.48am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by mseagle

It has to be said that the club and particularly Parrish have made more good decisions than bad ones. Since taking over he has been nothing but good news for this club, finding ourselves in the fifth
Year in the PL and spending big on some players has been unheard of in our history.
However over the past year big mistakes have been made.

There is no sentiment in football and if Parish were a player he would have been got rid of ages ago but because he is a significant shareholder he is allowed to retain his privileged position despite all his costly errors as chairman.

Someone posted earlier that FDB wasn't a nice bloke but conversely Steve Parish may well be a nice bloke but is that relevant in either case.

My own opinion (that I haven't expressed before) is that SP should have told FDB early on that he has to revert to a style of playing that the players were happy with and if a few of those that FDB didn't think were up to it went running to teacher to complain then he should have backed his manager not the whingers.

 

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View MngCPFC's Profile MngCPFC Flag 01 Oct 17 8.51am Send a Private Message to MngCPFC Add MngCPFC as a friend


I agree with Wilbraham413, I still look back to Dougie leaving while we were in 1st place in the Championship and can see only two managerial appointments that made sense in the years since. Both of those, Pulis and BfS made to avoid relegation due to poor managerial appointments and lack of signing.
We are a team that sits in the bottom third of the Premiership but SP obviously has to promote higher now we have US backers that work on results and returns.
Perhaps a drop and rebuild is what we need, football is football and the games are not as public down one league but I don't watch the other leagues, Premier included, when we are down and it is still exciting.
Cheaper tickets as well given the membership rubbish!!.

 

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View EagleEssex's Profile EagleEssex Flag Essex 01 Oct 17 9.01am Send a Private Message to EagleEssex Add EagleEssex as a friend

Originally posted by MngCPFC


I agree with Wilbraham413, I still look back to Dougie leaving while we were in 1st place in the Championship and can see only two managerial appointments that made sense in the years since. Both of those, Pulis and BfS made to avoid relegation due to poor managerial appointments and lack of signing.
We are a team that sits in the bottom third of the Premiership but SP obviously has to promote higher now we have US backers that work on results and returns.
Perhaps a drop and rebuild is what we need, football is football and the games are not as public down one league but I don't watch the other leagues, Premier included, when we are down and it is still exciting.
Cheaper tickets as well given the membership rubbish!!.

He also appointed Pardew, which was an excellent appointment, and a great coup at the time to prise him from a bigger club, whatever you think about what happened in the following seasons

 

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Originally posted by bexleydave

They both kept us up so there's probably little mileage in analysing 'oo did what to 'oo. We needed to address the LB position, and had done for some while, and that was sorted. It wasn't cheap, but it never is in January, especially when the selling clubs can smell your desperation, and most of us were happy with that at the time. We also got a decent DM and Sakho on loan. I doubt Pulis would have done much different, or better.

Point taken, Dave. Actually I had in mind another poster suggesting Pulis left because no money was made available to him. So I really was speculating how Pulis would have spent £40m 'back then' rather than if he had been the boss in Jan 17.

I guess my point was that money can be available when there is a sense of - as you say - desperation.

 


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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 01 Oct 17 9.06am

Pullis didn't want to be at a London club. It's not him. Simple as that.

 


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Responsibility lies with the Board. If you hire someone like FdB you need to give them time and resource. He was provided with neither. Any differences should have been resolved as differences, not a firing. As I've said before I was happy with the Liverpool and Burnley performances - and agree that a number of players are not good enough, new contracts to JS and DD and not loaning out Mutch and Lee has left little room to manoeuvre the 25.

But my main point is differences should have been resolved - I am a de Boer fan, we were lucky to get someone of his calibre.

 

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View MKCPFC's Profile MKCPFC Flag Spain/MK 01 Oct 17 9.10am Send a Private Message to MKCPFC Add MKCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

There is no sentiment in football and if Parish were a player he would have been got rid of ages ago but because he is a significant shareholder he is allowed to retain his privileged position despite all his costly errors as chairman.

Someone posted earlier that FDB wasn't a nice bloke but conversely Steve Parish may well be a nice bloke but is that relevant in either case.

My own opinion (that I haven't expressed before) is that SP should have told FDB early on that he has to revert to a style of playing that the players were happy with and if a few of those that FDB didn't think were up to it went running to teacher to complain then he should have backed his manager not the whingers.

No point in hiring a manager if you do that , may as well do a Ron Noades .
SP already gets loads of stick for allegedly interfering too much.
How do you know he didn't and carried on regardless?
If Frank could not figure out for himself how best to use the players he has he should not be a football manager.

As I said on another thread if Frank did lie at the interview about changing things gradually and then went on 3-4-3 possession football revolution not much Parish could do about that.
If he did lie then Frank was found out like most B@lls@tters are , on the job , and was shown the door like most of us in real life would expect to be. Difference is he probably was not on a probation period like the rest of us and probably got paid massive compensation for it.

Probably correct about the whingers if they did go running to teacher , but the evidence against Frank was so strong that it would be hard to ignore and you can make things worse by burying your head in the sand and sticking with someone just because you hired him and you want to prove you were right to do so.

 

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If anyone wants a breakdown of the figures, here is our league record since the moment Yannick Bolasie injured himself celebrating Chungy's winner at Stoke City just before Xmas 2015.

Won : 14


Lost : 40


Draw : 12


That is a devastating amount of losses for any team, at any level to absorb.

I think the YB injury did hurt us and that was also the season we jettisoned Glenn Murray and by mid-season had hired footballing mercenary Emmanuel Adebayor.

As important people declined (Jedi) in other areas we made terrible signings (Alex McCarthy) Remember him? and suddenly people like Patrick Bamford, who were never, ever going to be Palace were on board.

We have lost a core group and failed to replace them with players of the same mentality and toughness with a point to prove.

We lack Leaders and Winners........

 

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