G4S and Serco to get powers of arrest?
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 HeathMan  Purley 03 Oct 17 2.39pm |
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Do foreign police - when representing Interpol - have power to directly arrest, or do they need to instruct one of our police to make the arrest?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Oct 17 2.43pm |
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Originally posted by HeathMan
Do foreign police - when representing Interpol - have power to directly arrest, or do they need to instruct one of our police to make the arrest? International police in the UK have no powers of arrest, and serve in an advisory role. The exception is going to be in embassy grounds and on similar soil, like a US air base, where its technically US sovereign soil. Interpol has no arrest powers in any country. Even British police serving with Interpol, cannot arrest someone in the UK. However, I do believe that in a few countries, the DEA and FBI, have power of arrest (such as Thailand) provided they're in pursuit of US arrest warrants. Edited by jamiemartin721 (03 Oct 2017 2.44pm)
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 03 Oct 17 10.03pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Were you around in the 70s when tax payers' money was poured into nationalised companies faster than an alcoholic poring whisky down their throat? This was to prop up their inefficient, over-staffed cra*py operations and fund the massive wage rises demanded by the comrades in the unions, accompanied by endless strikes, who knew they were tapping into a bottomless pit of funds. Still they did bring Thatcher to power. Yes. Taxpayers's money is being poured down throats just as freely now, if not more so. Except this time around they're blue ones, not red ones. Perhaps in years to come people will say "remember the 10's? All those tax-avoiding tory cronies propping up their balance sheets and offshore savings funds by tapping into an endless stream of taxpayer's money - not to mention landlord MPs voting down legal rights for tenants to have a place to live that's actually legally fit for human habitation.....still, it did bring (insert socialist prime minister's name here) to power."
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| Lyons550 Shirley 04 Oct 17 9.09am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Like G4S, ATOS and Serco, for instance - who are arguably companies with a very poor performance standard, wracked with controversies, who keep getting funded and paid for subpar performances for outsourced services, that would have been scandals had they occurred under government / local authority ownership Things like this are further complicated as these companies are often floated on the stockmarket and as such are beholden to shareholders...if they were allowed to 'fail' then the company would go bust and then that would leave us all in a right mess...being given these contracts means the taxpayer has to fund their incompetence....whilst the shareholders cream off the state
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Oct 17 9.46am |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Things like this are further complicated as these companies are often floated on the stockmarket and as such are beholden to shareholders...if they were allowed to 'fail' then the company would go bust and then that would leave us all in a right mess...being given these contracts means the taxpayer has to fund their incompetence....whilst the shareholders cream off the state Which is exactly why these public services should be maintained by the state via state revenue, even if its more expensive - that's what the role of state is, to provide accountable, governance - not to prop up third party companies and shareholders - The responsibility of these services is to the public, not the shareholders of some company.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Oct 17 9.52am |
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On initial thoughts I don't see this as a good idea. I'd need to see more detail of course. However the usual over emotive, over the top, Labour supporter comments focused on Tory hate just end up giving me pause to consider it.....Using the logic, that if they don't like it, then there must be something to consider.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Oct 17 9.54am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Which is exactly why these public services should be maintained by the state via state revenue, even if its more expensive - that's what the role of state is, to provide accountable, governance - not to prop up third party companies and shareholders - The responsibility of these services is to the public, not the shareholders of some company. Well, when you say, 'public', you mean politicians....many of whom react more to the media than their public. I see what has been politically done to the Police themselves and I dislike what I see. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Oct 2017 9.55am)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 04 Oct 17 9.58am |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Yes. Taxpayers's money is being poured down throats just as freely now, if not more so. Except this time around they're blue ones, not red ones. Perhaps in years to come people will say "remember the 10's? All those tax-avoiding tory cronies propping up their balance sheets and offshore savings funds by tapping into an endless stream of taxpayer's money - not to mention landlord MPs voting down legal rights for tenants to have a place to live that's actually legally fit for human habitation.....still, it did bring (insert socialist prime minister's name here) to power." I kind of agree with you, in that these private companies are operating in the same way as the old nationalise industries did - without the constraints and discipline of the free market. As you say they can be as cr*p as they like and the government still funds them money. Although it's not quite as bad as nationalisation and the option is there to use a different company.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Oct 17 9.59am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, when you say, 'public', you mean politicians....many of whom react more to the media than their public. I see what has been politically done to the Police themselves and I dislike what I see. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Oct 2017 9.55am) Me too, to an extent, some of the police's current problems come from their own failure to properly 'police' themselves in the past - but the problems of the police would be far, far worse if they'd been something like G4S. I'd say its true of both the public and politicians, both are more responsive to the media than each other, and that has increasingly undermined society - giving certain media outlets far more political influence towards agendas, than reasonable bias - leading to close relationships between politicians and media owners / executives. Cameron and Blair were both horribly guilty of this.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 04 Oct 17 10.00am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Which is exactly why these public services should be maintained by the state via state revenue, even if its more expensive - that's what the role of state is, to provide accountable, governance - not to prop up third party companies and shareholders - The responsibility of these services is to the public, not the shareholders of some company.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Oct 17 10.22am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Me too, to an extent, some of the police's current problems come from their own failure to properly 'police' themselves in the past - but the problems of the police would be far, far worse if they'd been something like G4S. I'd say its true of both the public and politicians, both are more responsive to the media than each other, and that has increasingly undermined society - giving certain media outlets far more political influence towards agendas, than reasonable bias - leading to close relationships between politicians and media owners / executives. Cameron and Blair were both horribly guilty of this. Yep, all good points, tis true.....though I will look at this G4S thing....though I share your concerns. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Oct 2017 10.23am)
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 04 Oct 17 10.28am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Me too, to an extent, some of the police's current problems come from their own failure to properly 'police' themselves in the past - but the problems of the police would be far, far worse if they'd been something like G4S. It seems politicians have already forgotten about G4S and the Olympic Games. Never a fan of a private police force.
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