Not coy, i'm just aware that all may not be what it seems, WMD being a fairly recent, proven, example.

As for 9/11, if you want me to believe that some barely trained Muslims, mainly Saudi Arabians, delivered the greatest humiliation to a superpower since David slew Goliath by outsmarting all 17 US intelligence agencies and those of NATO and Israel, the National Security Council, the Transportation Safety Administration, Air Traffic Control, and Dick Cheney, hijacked four US airliners on one morning, brought down three World Trade Center skyscrapers, destroyed that part of the Pentagon where research was underway into the missing $2.3 Trillion, and caused the morons in Washington to blame Afghanistan instead of Saudi Arabia..........then no, i'm not having it.
Throw into the mix that the most gun-ho nation on the planet couldn't find at least one F-14(15?) to patrol the skies after the first tower was hit as well as not 1 person being held accountable for this absolute lack of security in the most gun-ho nation on the planet..........then i'm doubly dubious.

But i'm sure you'll prove me wrong.

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TUX is definitely wrong on this even. It clearly and very obviously happened. And was horrific.

But you don't much seem to particularly like anyone my man, so I'm pretty sure that the assessment of TUX as despicable is off.

3 World Trade Center skyscrapers? Where was the third? I think they manipulated the situation into an excuse to go into Afghanistan but that's as far fetched as my conspiracy theory goes.

I have to particularly like people do I, my man?

I called nutjob conspiracy theorists despicable because that is what they are. I did not call TUX this -
he can explain his position if he wants.

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Why would they need to manipulate the situation to do that? Bin Laden was already wanted for terrorist crimes.

Who would have stopped them exactly?

Also, what benefit is in taking over a country such as Afghanistan? Even then the country would have clearly been seen as a liability.

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In terms of humiliation, its not really that much of a complex idea. Hijacking planes has been a terrorist mainstay for a long time. Send multiple teams to hijack plans at roughly the same time, and crash them into buildings at different locations.

The US wasn't prepared for this. Remember at the time the US probably wasn't aware that the planes had been hijacked until they were crashing into the targets. Al-Qaeda were surprised at how well it went off - the reason they selected four different targets (Twin Towers 1, 2, Pentagon and Camp David/White House) was it seems because they didn't expect to get all of the planes, or for all of the teams to escape detection long enough.

In truth, the time between confirming the planes were hijacked and being used as a weapon, were minimal. Certainly, not enough time to get fighters scrambled into unplanned mission objectives. Also if they'd switched off the transponders - not enough time to track down the planes (let alone rearm, and reschedule Fighter aircraft, get them fuelled and airborne, and deployed into the correct areas).

Those things require about 100 hours of maintenance for every hour they spend in the air. Most of those on standby would likely be ready for intercepting missiles based on soviet era wargames.

The aftermath exposed just how poor US airport security and aircraft security was despite a history of terrorist hijackings and bombings.

Its a clever, but simple plan, almost elegant in its simplicity

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