EU army concerns
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 Stuk  Top half 05 Oct 17 1.24pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
I don't disagree with this at all Danny. (Wish I was anywhere near being under-25 though). The EU has the interests of European (and British) Financial Services and Corporate interests at heart beyond anything else - I'm not pretending any different. However, the social and regulatory safeguards in place across the EU despite this corporate focus are much better for the average guy in the UK than the deregulated, quasi-Victorian ultra-capitalist, "devil take the hindmost" mess this country stands to become in the Brexit dreams of Farage, Murdoch, Boris et al. Take something as (to some people) trivial as food labelling. I like to know what's in my food and I like to know stuff like sugar / fat content. I want to know if it's full of artificial sh1te, Palm Oil, GM ingredients and the like - it gives me freedom to choose. This heinous EU over-regulation was one of the first on the hit-list for the Brexit campaign. Why? Does it allow consumers to "take back control"? Does it hell - it allows manufacturers and retailers to hide all sorts of crap in their products without the consumer having a clue. I'm looking beyond WW2 in history - history is filled with examples of what happens to the average person when wealth & capital are given free reign to enrich themselves further at everyone else's expense. The EU is the lesser of two evils, in my book. That one that allows them to put on the package things like "produced using pork from the EU", which means it can be from a mix of pigs from various countries and sources. While, coincidentally, Denmark is going through serious issues with their Pork, they previously proudly labelled as "Danish". Whereas when labelled "British" it means born, reared, slaughtered and processed in Britain. Then you have the egg problems within the continental EU that were allowed to be sold to consumers.
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| Stirlingsays 05 Oct 17 1.27pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
The EU - in my view - is the one thing saving us from the unrestrained excesses of our current ruling class. Food Banks aren't an EU requirement, selling off core national infrastructure to the highest bidder isn't either. The changes need to happen at home first. Get a better view. Maybe you should have a look at how the EU's political decisions are faring for those in southern Europe before you talk about food banks. The old in need of medical care in Greece just die out of eyeline then.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 Oct 17 1.28pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
That one that allows them to put on the package things like "produced using pork from the EU", which means it can be from a mix of pigs from various countries and sources. While, coincidentally, Denmark is going through serious issues with their Pork, they previously proudly labelled as "Danish". Whereas when labelled "British" it means born, reared, slaughtered and processed in Britain. Then you have the egg problems within the continental EU that were allowed to be sold to consumers.
Lesser of two evils, like I said. At least we still have such labelling for a couple more years :-)
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 05 Oct 17 1.29pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
A very astute comment and totally in agreement. It is in fact the older generations that know little or nothing about the EU. They never embraced it or took advantage of the opportunities that it offered with regards to alternative (and often much better quality) lifestyles, education or in business. That's the reason the same generation mostly voted to leave. During their time there was war in Europe. During the EU's tome no war within the bloc. I could go on further but I'll save that for later.
The last war across Europe was WWII that finished in 1945. If you were born in that year, you would now be 72, if in fact you made it that far, if you had I doubt you would give two flying monkey fcuks as to who was in charge, at least a very much reduced number than you seem to have plucked out your arse. Lastly the only reason the EEC was able to exist at all, was due to the bravery of millions of British people and it's allies in WWII, against the fascist up rising of a European super power, ruling from it's member states from afar. That does have more than a familiar ring to it, doesn't it. Edited by dannyh (05 Oct 2017 1.30pm)
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 05 Oct 17 1.31pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
That is the main reason that I voted to leave the EU as I wanted us to have control of our own destinies back again and wouldn't mind betting that many more of us oldies felt the same way How do you feel about May going for a transitional arrangement then for 2 years where we have to implement EU laws but have NO SAY in them whatsoever? Unlike now, when we at least have a seat at the table.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Oct 17 1.33pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
How do you feel about May going for a transitional arrangement then for 2 years where we have to implement EU laws but have NO SAY in them whatsoever? Unlike now, when we at least have a seat at the table. She shouldn't do it. Not that the details of what any transitional arrangements would be are known yet.
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| npn Crowborough 05 Oct 17 1.47pm |
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How would an EU army work? Would it need a unanimous agreement from the 27 to deploy, or would it be in Junker's hands? The first seems highly unlikely it would ever happen, the second is just terrifying!
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| Stirlingsays 05 Oct 17 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by npn
How would an EU army work? Would it need a unanimous agreement from the 27 to deploy, or would it be in Junker's hands? The first seems highly unlikely it would ever happen, the second is just terrifying! Initially, I would imagine it would be very limited....but if anything could suffer so obviously from the slippery slope contention....it's this one. All organizations suffer from mission creep if allowed. If the EU integrates fully....eventually it's inevitable. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Oct 2017 1.52pm)
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| Stuk Top half 05 Oct 17 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Lesser of two evils, like I said. At least we still have such labelling for a couple more years :-) UK introduced the food labelling regulations in 1996. The EU introduced them in 2011 and didn't make them as comprehensive until 2014. I wonder when they'll stop being sexist?
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 becky over the moon 05 Oct 17 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by Oliver
Doesn't leave you anywhere different but 72% of people who have no educational qualifications at all voted Leave Edited by Oliver (05 Oct 2017 11.56am) Since the mass conversion of polytechnics to universities only happened 25 years ago, giving all and any the chance of a degree, that's not too surprising a figure to me. Before that only the few stayed on for 6th form and university, the mass went out to work at 15/16 years old and learned on the job (and let's not knock real life as a means of education), so this would comprise a very large part of your 72%.
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| npn Crowborough 05 Oct 17 1.58pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Since the mass conversion of polytechnics to universities only happened 25 years ago, giving all and any the chance of a degree, that's not too surprising a figure to me. Before that only the few stayed on for 6th form and university, the mass went out to work at 15/16 years old and learned on the job (and let's not knock real life as a means of education), so this would comprise a very large part of your 72%. True. It's a simplistic mistake to equate "no formal qualifications" with "thick"
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| Stuk Top half 05 Oct 17 2.01pm |
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Originally posted by npn
How would an EU army work? Would it need a unanimous agreement from the 27 to deploy, or would it be in Junker's hands? The first seems highly unlikely it would ever happen, the second is just terrifying! He'd get Amazon to deliver them.
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