The cutting off of "healthy" parts if done so to prevent future medical issues is an entirely valid tactic. Getting circumcised prior to puberty avoids a significant amount of pain and suffering, and is a far more simple procedure (I had to have a full anesthetic, which itself has risks).

Female circumcision has no medical benefits, but also is no more (or less) painful if done as a child or an adult. A parent can choose to prevent future disease and/or pain and suffering in their son's future by circumcising them; this is not the case for daughters. Unless you want to remove a parent's right to make medical decisions for their children...

Edited by Ray in Houston (10 Oct 2017 5.47pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

I think, with the way you treat these two different situations, I have proven my point.

In my view you are fine with cultural unfairness and what you see as equality is in reality no better than unfair versions that existed in the past and in some cases still today......You just have different prejudices.

I could go onto many other examples but it would just turn into a version of this debate right here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Oct 2017 6.07pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

These are genuinely terrible opinions.

Once again, the use of anesthetic on babies is risky.

Over a hundred circumcision deaths occur in the US every year.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Oct 2017 5.58pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I'm sure that, of the two of us, one of us knows about this procedure from personal experience and on doesn't.

I never said it had to be done as a baby. I have said that it should not be allowed as a religious choice (but that's hard to police) and it should not be allowed to be performed by untrained, non-medical types.

It's a valid medical procedure, just like vaccination and breast removal. Maybe not prevention of maladies as obviously and directly serious as what those other procedures treat, but what's not serious to you may be very serious to someone else.

You want to draw a line in the sand here when it's not your choice to make. It's between the patient, their doctor and - if it's a child - their parent(s).

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Stage 1) We are going to burn our y-fronts outside Parliament during PMQs in three weeks time.

Stage 2) Straight down to Downing St to handcuff ourselves to the railings.

Stage 3) We call to arms and, hopefully, be joined by hundreds of fellow naked from the waist down sympathisers - Widdecombe is banned for obvious reasons. She might think we meant her and not Josh. Too risky.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Josh can only join for six and a half months a year....on account of him only just qualifying as an actual male.

If we are going to handcuff ourselves to the railings it has to be near some wi-fi....As I insist on taking my new tablet......it's a new kind of nerdy alpha.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)